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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the story as printed in the Chosun Ilbo:
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Quoting what North Korean authorities told tour operator Hyundai Asan, Kim said Park strayed into an off-limits military area and, instead of stopping when a North Korean soldier asked her to, fled, and the soldier fired. According to the North, Park wandered 1 km northward into the restricted area. Soldiers repeatedly asked her to stop and fired a warning shot, but she ran away.

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200807/200807110031.html

No mention of a fence. Later in the article it says
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Hyundai Asan will withdraw the 1,263 South Korean tourists currently in the North through Sunday.
So the figure of 13,000 tourists was wrong.

[quote]Does this contradict the Norks' claim that the incident happened deep in an area that was under military control?...Or was the military zone actually on the beach, close enough to be seen by the other tourist?

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I was at the observation area just south of the DMZ about 3 weeks ago. From what I understood from my friend who almost certainly knows what he is talking about in this situation, the Norks patrol the beach as part of their military zone. ALL of the beach south of the DMZ is under South Korean military control. I visited the artillery battery that is located directly on the beach. From that, it is reasonable to believe the Norks have similar presence on the beach north of the DMZ. When I was there 10 years ago we looked through the telescopes at the observation platform and saw Nork soldiers on the beach.

I have nothing on the report of the observer except to wonder what he was doing outside at 5am.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This could be totally irrelevant and unconnected to the events at the east end of the DMZ but it is worth a look at what has been happening at the west end:

Flash of temper livens Korea talksBy Donald Kirk

SEOUL - North Korea has livened up the current round of six-party talks in Beijing with a sideshow at the truce village of Panmunjom in which North Korean guards have been kicking over tables in the one-room, one-story hootch on the line between the two Koreas, all this in the presence of South Korean tourists.

While envoys from the United States, the two Koreas, Japan, Russia and China were yakking in Beijing about "verification" of whatever the North is doing to disable its nuclear facilities, US and North Korean colonels traded rhetorical blasts at the critical flashpoint 64 kilometers north of the South Korean capital Seoul where the Korean War armistice was signed in July 1953.

First the United Nations Military Armistice Commission - the nomenclature reflects the role of the UN command structure dating from the Korean War - demanded an end to "intimidating acts" by the North Koreans. The North in turn demanded the meeting in which the senior North Korean colonel denounced the "provocative actions" of the southern side.

The North Koreans accompanied that claim with a warning that "even the slightest provocation against the other side" anywhere near the conference room "may lead to an armed conflict at any moment".

The question was whether or not the increased tensions at the Panmunjom crossing had anything to do with Friday's tragic shooting on the eastern side of the peninsula in which a North Korean soldier shot and killed a 53-year-old South Korean woman who had walked into an off-limits area during a visit to the Mount Kumkang tourist zone. The woman was said to be on an early-morning stroll near a beach when the shooting occurred.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/JG12Dg01.html

The plot possibly just thickened. To the innocently clueless ajumma possibility and the espionage possibility we can add the possibility of a Nork 'warning shot across the bow' to influence the 6 party talks.
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Bondrock



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it may have been connected to 2MB's speech, in that the Norks wanted to cut him off at the knees and see if he would still give the speech. I also agree that the 6 party talks are involved.

The Norks are mainly behind the recent protests here in SK too. Amazing how they can manipulate things with their brinkmanship tactics. I admit I don't like it, but also admit that part of me shakes my head in wonder at what they are able to get away with.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The plot possibly just thickened. To the innocently clueless ajumma possibility and the espionage possibility we can add the possibility of a Nork 'warning shot across the bow' to influence the 6 party talks.


Yeah, I had thought about that as well. But then would it just be a happy coincidence that this woman wandered over the line at this particular time, thus giving the Norks the opportunity to stage their big show of force?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those ajummas probably wander over the line every day. But this day was the day of warning because of so many reasons such as 2mb and the 6 party talks.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But then would it just be a happy coincidence that this woman wandered over the line at this particular time


IF it's a Nork plot, then they could easily have lured her over the fence before shooting her. I can think of several ways and I'm not a particularly devious person.

The more I think about it, the less coincidental it seems, but that could be the lingering after effects of reading too many regicide/bacaspar posts.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look, the ajumma was supposed to be with her group not taking a stroll by herself in North Korea. She wasn't somewhere that others were going to, so she was taking a risk. She was alone i.e. she chose to be away from the group. She didn't realize the seriousness of doing so. Is that the fault of the North Koreans? No. However, they shouldn't have shot her to death.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
Look, the ajumma was supposed to be with her group not taking a stroll by herself in North Korea. She wasn't somewhere that others were going to, so she was taking a risk. She was alone i.e. she chose to be away from the group. She didn't realize the seriousness of doing so. Is that the fault of the North Koreans? No. However, they shouldn't have shot her to death.


As far as my personal sympathy for the woman goes, I think it comes down to this...

Had she actually been made aware that the other side of the fence was a no-go zone? If I were in North Korea, and someone said to me "You are not allowed to go over that fence", then the one thing I would definitely not do is go over the fence. Even if other tourists seemed to think that it was no big deal.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
Adventurer wrote:
Look, the ajumma was supposed to be with her group not taking a stroll by herself in North Korea. She wasn't somewhere that others were going to, so she was taking a risk. She was alone i.e. she chose to be away from the group. She didn't realize the seriousness of doing so. Is that the fault of the North Koreans? No. However, they shouldn't have shot her to death.


As far as my personal sympathy for the woman goes, I think it comes down to this...

Had she actually been made aware that the other side of the fence was a no-go zone? If I were in North Korea, and someone said to me "You are not allowed to go over that fence", then the one thing I would definitely not do is go over the fence. Even if other tourists seemed to think that it was no big deal.



Well, I should be fair. We don't know all the facts. We know she wasn't with the group. But, she didn't know she was in danger, obviously.
It seems unlikely that some ajumma would just go over some fence in North Korea. What do you think? And some are saying there was no fence. It is hard to know what really happened. She didn't deserve to be shot. She was defenceless.
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