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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:53 am Post subject: The Noonchi Thread (why Koreans act the way they do) |
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So, I thought I'd start a thread about Noonchi.
Do you know what it is? Have you heard this before?
Noonchi is the reason Koreans act the way they do. It is a behavior that we, as westerners, have a VERY hard time grasping. Sometimes, it defies common sense. Most of the time, it goes against our own social behavior.
There really isn't a solid definition of Noonchi because it applies on so many levels. Some might say Noonchi is "respect" but it goes way beyond that. I made this thread so that we can discuss it and help each other understand it. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Um, from what I understood of nunchi, your explanation is well off. I've heard jeong described in similar terms to your post though...
According to wikipedia:
Nunchi refers to a concept in Korean culture, described as "the subtle art of listening and gauging another's mood". It is of central importance to the dynamics of interpersonal relationships in Korean culture. Nunchi is literally translated as "eye-measure".
There mightn't be a specific term for it in English, but tact and empathy come close, and they're both quite valued in the West. |
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bluelake

Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:23 am Post subject: |
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How about some experiences? I remember many over the years where I was saying something to someone and, later on, my wife gets upset with me about it and says something like, "You should have noticed my eyes." |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:32 am Post subject: |
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peppermint wrote: |
described as "the subtle art of listening and gauging another's mood". It is of central importance to the dynamics of interpersonal relationships in Korean culture. Nunchi is literally translated as "eye-measure". |
koreans, more than any other nation I know, appear to communicate with body language to a very high degree.
That goes for Korean women too. They expect you to know a massive amount without having actually told you in words. More so than western women, even. |
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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: |
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This is how I would define "noonchi" or 눈치- social perceptiveness, social awareness, social sense, social tact.
If you have no noonchi, then basically you're not very aware of others and how they perceive you, or you're unaware of the situation at hand.
Noonchi is not respect. They're totally different. Though someone who has no noonchi might be seen as disrespectful in certain situations, just because you have noonchi doesn't mean you're being respectful. So respect has nothing to do with it.
Also, noonchi alone doesn't account for why Koreans behave the way they do.
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peppermint

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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:45 am Post subject: |
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I'm reasonably good with that sort of thing, at least most of the time, but my co teachers seemed to think I'd pick up very specific info, like say classes being cancelled, through nunchi, and I guess the force just isn't that strong with me, because I never managed that feat. |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Freakstar wrote: |
This is how I would define "noonchi" or 눈치- social perceptiveness, social awareness, social sense, social tact.
If you have no noonchi, then basically you're not very aware of others and how they perceive you, or you're unaware of the situation at hand. |
Good definition. But in Korea it has one caveat: it only applies to people youve been introduced to. Strangers get its opposite extreme. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Noon-chi is that inconvenient skill some Koreans display. You're stressed out for some reason, like a run-in with the boss or your girlfriend just dumped you, so you paste a fake smile on, walk into class determined to get through it and a hand shoots up and the student says, "Teacher, are you OK?" I've noticed more tactful students ask if you are tired.
It's downright creepy when you are trying to hide your feelings. It must be hell being a teenager with a mom who has good noon-chi. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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I've found that elementary kids haven't honed the skill as well, like the other day when I had a bunch of shit-heads at camp who couldn't pick up on my body language that Mt. St. Teacher was about to blow.
Maybe that's how they learn this trait so well, from pissing off the foreign teacher.  |
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Kikomom

Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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So it's intuition? |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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peppermint wrote: |
I'm reasonably good with that sort of thing, at least most of the time, but my co teachers seemed to think I'd pick up very specific info, like say classes being cancelled, through nunchi, and I guess the force just isn't that strong with me, because I never managed that feat. |
I can do this. (Sometimes.) I think it scares them.
Yeah, "you look tired" seems to mean about a thousand different things. |
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Pooty
Joined: 15 Jun 2008 Location: Ela stin agalia mou
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Kikomom wrote: |
So it's intuition? |
pretty much...although it's been refined to an exponential level in Korea. |
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Kikomom

Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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nautilus wrote: |
... it has one caveat: it only applies to people you've been introduced to. Strangers get its opposite extreme. |
Something you might want to consider when sitting down to the poker table. |
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zpeanut

Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Location: Pohang, Korea
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Pooty wrote: |
Kikomom wrote: |
So it's intuition? |
pretty much...although it's been refined to an exponential level in Korea. |
Yeah, I'd agree. Plus.. its also a combination of body/eye language..
Having nunchi is very important. If you're a 'nunchi obneun saram' - a person without nunchi, you're considered to be pretty stupid, really.
You may hear the phrase ' aiishi, nunchi obso..' ... this is a complaint of how dimwitted a person is.
I've had male friends who say:
'see that girl there? shes into me'
'and how do you know?'
'check out her nunchi'...
Now I dunno how valid that example is, cos my friend has a bit of a big head. But it just shows how koreans may relate so many things to nunchi. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Noonchi has a lot to do with Korean behavior. Noonchi goes hand in hand with the "Senior, Junior" relationship in Korea.
In my opnion, noonchi goes beyond just judging someone's mood.
It is very complicated and I can't really explain it myself, hence the thread for open discussion. |
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