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irwinpryce
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Joined: 30 Apr 2007
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: work hours |
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Hi,
I am currently doing 41 hours a week in a kindergarten hagwon. However less than 30 of those hours are actually spent teaching. The rest is 'prep time.'
I was told that the work hours were 10-6 in an email which came with my contract, however I am basically fed up with the job and am not enjoying teaching at Kindergarten level. Therefore I would rather do less hours.
My contract states,
"he workday of the Employee starts on Monday and ends on Friday, 120 hours per month. Daily teaching hours are 6 hours per day. However working hours is flexible in accordance with the institution�s schedule and in this case both parties must mutually agree."
Do I have the right to refuse to work more than 30 hours a week including prep time?
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wings
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like your classroom hours would be 6 hours a day, without prep. Prep time will be on top of that, but I"m not sure the school can make you stay on site while you plan your classes. |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: work hours |
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irwinpryce wrote: |
Do I have the right to refuse to work more than 30 hours a week including prep time?
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No, but you can try. |
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KoreanAmbition

Joined: 03 Feb 2008
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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You're teaching for 30 hours and putting in 11 hours of prep time.
So basically you are putting in 1 extra hour on top of your 10-6 contract that you signed. If you're planning to tell them you don't want to work that extra hour I think that's a little strange.
I think your main issue is that you don't like your job. |
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irwinpryce
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Joined: 30 Apr 2007
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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True, i don't like my job, and it annoys me when I meet other foreign teachers who work 30 houyrs a week, with no 'prep time.'
However there is nothing in my contract that says I have to work 10-6, its not actually written in the contract. |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: |
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irwinpryce wrote: |
True, i don't like my job, and it annoys me when I meet other foreign teachers who work 30 houyrs a week, with no 'prep time.' |
What do you actually do during 'prep time'?
My friend has to be at work for like 2 hours less than I do, but she has more teaching hours and harder classes. We can't decide whose job is actually better. No job is perfect. |
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irwinpryce
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Joined: 30 Apr 2007
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:15 am Post subject: |
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Draz wrote: |
irwinpryce wrote: |
True, i don't like my job, and it annoys me when I meet other foreign teachers who work 30 houyrs a week, with no 'prep time.' |
What do you actually do during 'prep time'?
My friend has to be at work for like 2 hours less than I do, but she has more teaching hours and harder classes. We can't decide whose job is actually better. No job is perfect. |
Not much, write plans, make resources etc. However I spend a great deal of the time pretending to do work.
Obviousy I would rather not be there, and am frustrated with their ways of doing business, e.g. my pay is currently late.
Sorry to be a pest but can we revert to the original question as I want to go ahead with refusing to be in the school for more than 30 hours.
As I have said above, its not in my contract, however they want me to work 40hours. Does anyone have any advice, am I in the right? How should I go about this? |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:55 am Post subject: |
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Why bother pretending to work? |
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jbpatlanta
Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Why bother pretending to work? |
When I worked at a hagwon like that we had to be at work at 9:30. Class was from 9:45 until 12:40 then 3:00 to 6:00. They told us that we had to be on site all day. We were supposed to only take 30 mintues for lunch. The rest of the time was "prep" time.
I never paid attention to lunch time. Sometimes I took 30 min sometime 2 hours. When I was in the office before class and between class, I read novels or played Playstation. Boss did not like it but what can he do? |
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irwinpryce
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Joined: 30 Apr 2007
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Bump
I really need more advice on this, as I emailed my recruiter to point this out. She emailed back twisting the question, basically repeating the quote of the contract. I am now up to 30 hours a week, due to my employer adding phone calls to my schedule. I need to know if I am entitled to leave an hour earlier each day.
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TheChickenLover
Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Location: The Chicken Coop
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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If you are unhappy with your current school, then quit.
Leave, go destress yourself & return smarter & hopefully wider of the pitfalls of the world of hogwans.
Don't feel sorry for your school, they don't care at all for you. You are merely a tool to make money with.
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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^^^^^ what he said....
A) put up and shut up or
B) get out.
Pick one.
It isn't rocket science.
Hit the 6 month mark so you are not responsible for airfare (unless you signed a really bad contract),
buy a ticket to your favorite tropical beach place,
go to immigration and tell them you quit,
hand in your ARC,
get your exit order,
leave the country,
de-stress for a month
then
come back and get a new job (hopefully wiser than the 1st time).
Oh, and learn the magic word.... "NO". It works wonders.
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maddog
Joined: 08 Dec 2005 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: work hours |
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irwinpryce wrote: |
I am currently doing 41 hours a week in a kindergarten hagwon. |
There's the problem. You just described most EFL/ESL teachers' vision of hell. As a kindy teacher, you're nothing more than a baby-sitter. In my first job, I had to teach 3 40-minute kindy classes from 10am til midday. I hated EVERY second of it.
Get out after the six month mark, i.e. hand in your notice at the five month mark. Spend a month or so in SE Asia, search for jobs and get your docs together, then come back. |
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