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In this corner, Co-VeeP Todd Palin?
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
That's not quite true. If the entire US wanted to put the question of Alaska leaving the union to a vote, that would be OK. But the citizens of a state are just a minority of the people, and do not have the right to take their neighborhood out of the union at their will.


Well I think a referendum might mean it'd have to be majority vote. You're right, a plurality vote on a referendum to secede wouldn't fly.

And Puerto Rico? Hawaii also has a separatist movement. No big deal.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And Puerto Rico? Hawaii also has a separatist movement. No big deal.


Sure, no big deal. But are there any vice-presidential candidates from Hawaii with connections to that movement?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Puerto Rico has every right to discuss their relationship to the US. They are not a state. There are historic legal forms to follow for them to change their status, just like all the states had.

Hawaii cannot discuss secession.

Maybe I wasn't clear above. Alaska alone cannot have a referendum on its status. The entire US would have to vote. I don't know if a simple majority or a super-majority would be needed for independence. Constitutional scholars would have to answer that.

Palin's religion is a delicate matter. I'm all for freedom of religion and she's entitled to hers, just as Romney is. Hers is a bit of a fringe religion. At the Assembly of God in my hometown, they spoke in tongues and were called 'Holy Rollers' when I was a kid. I don't know if hers is like that or not. Those kinds of religious practices are more widely spread than they used to be. I suppose the public should be aware of her religion, but I wouldn't want it to be an issue.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
On the other hand wrote:
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And Puerto Rico? Hawaii also has a separatist movement. No big deal.


Sure, no big deal. But are there any vice-presidential candidates from Hawaii with connections to that movement?


No. But if either of the past two Governors of Hawaii were to be subjected to your 'America First' test, they would fail. Check the link to the Hawaii Nation website. Both governors, Republican and Democrat, are quoted.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Both governors, Republican and Democrat, are quoted.


Without seeing their quotes in a larger context, I'll take them for what they seem to be saying and say there are two more governers who aren't qualified to run for the vice presidency.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
This would be the most openly pro-indpendence of the two quotes...

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The recovery of Hawaiian self-determination is not only an issue for Hawaii, but for America. ... let all of us, Hawaiian and non-Hawaiian, work toward a common goal. Let us resolve ... to advance a plan for Hawaiian sovereignty."
- Democratic Governor Ben Cayetano


There are a few too many ellipses in there for my tastes. I suspect that in context, the Governor was not saying quite what he appears to be saying.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's possible the guy was speaking of establishing the type of sovereignty that Indian tribes have. That's an entirely different thing than independence, which is what the site itself supports.
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