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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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 Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: What would it take to get Republicans to vote for Obama? |
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There is less than 10 percent separating Obama and McCain, depending on the poll.
This campaign shouldn't even be close. McCain and Palin have done virtually everything wrong.
See: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=136744
And the Republican administration of George Bush, and until two years ago, a Republican Congress, have plunged the U.S. into the worst economic mess since the Great Depression.
Yet there are actually people who are willing to put the Republicans back in the White House.
I was wondering, what would it take for the Obama-Biden campaign to convince McCain-Palin supporters to vote for them? What more can the Democrats do to get through to these people?
I'm mystified. |
It's not going to be as close as the media wants you to believe. They are hyping the election as being close because they are worried everyone is going to turn off the coverage early, especially once a winner is determined for president.
As Ya-ta Boy has said, it's not the national polls you should be looking at, the state polls are what matter. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: Re: What would it take to get Republicans to vote for Obama? |
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I am all for spending on alternative energy, probably more than anyone else on the board. |
If that's the case then you should probably be voting for Obama as he has voiced more a lot more willingness than McCain to invest in alternative energy. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| As Ya-ta Boy has said, it's not the national polls you should be looking at, the state polls are what matter. |
Well, according to one round of polls...
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| A Zogby poll shows gains for McCain in Indiana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, and Virginia. In Missouri, he and Obama are now tied. |
Granted, this is Zogby, which I gather is considered unreliable by some. Still, I suspect that Obama will not in fact win as many of these conservative states as is being predicted. I don't see any reason why someone who could vote for Bush in 2004 would have a problem voting for McCain in 2008.
And, don't quote me on this, but I have an unsubstantiated inkling that this much-hyped "youth and black upsurge" is gonna turn out to be a bit of a letdown. Even if we do see increased turnout among those constituencies, I think it will likely be balanced off by the Palinite fundamentalists, who have been at least as energized as the kids and the brothers. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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This video might get a few Republicans to vote for the Obama-Biden ticket:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHtGTvTZ-wc
It's from September 10 2001, so one day before the attacks.
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| Our priorities, I think, are a little out of whack. But even the joint chief says that a strategic nuclear attack is less likely than a regional conflict, a major theater war, terrorist attacks at home or abroad, or any number of other real issues. We'll have diverted all that money to address the least likely threat, while the real threat comes to this country in the hold of a ship, the belly of a plane, or smuggled into a city in the middle of the night in a vial in a backpack. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Thank you very much, mithridates, for that link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHtGTvTZ-wc
That was, indeed, very interesting, and the sort of thing that makes digging through Dave's worthwhile.
People who say politicians are all the same are deceiving themselves. There are good politicians, who take their responsibilities seriously.
While it is impossible to 100 percent prevent terrorist attacks, there is a lot more we could have done prior to 9/11. There were people who appreciated the dangers, and that included Biden. Somebody other than Bush running the show possibly could have prevented 9/11.
Now we are deep in a hole. While it may be that no one could get us out, our chances are certainly better with leaders with intelligence and knowledge, than a replay of the last eight years.
It is so sad. This mess didn't have to happen. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:35 am Post subject: |
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Thank you very much, mithridates, for that link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHtGTvTZ-wc
That was, indeed, very interesting, and the sort of thing that makes digging through Dave's worthwhile.
People who say politicians are all the same are deceiving themselves. There are good politicians, who take their responsibilities seriously.
While it is impossible to 100 percent prevent terrorist attacks, there is a lot more we could have done prior to 9/11. There were people who appreciated the dangers, and that included Biden. Somebody other than Bush running the show possibly could have prevented 9/11.
Now we are deep in a hole. While it may be that no one could get us out, our chances are certainly better with leaders with intelligence and knowledge, than a replay of the last eight years.
It is so sad. This mess didn't have to happen. |
The 9-11 hijackers were in the US before Bush was president.
The US justice system isn't up to dealing with Al Qaeda , if you don't believe me ask Sandy Burger. |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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I voted for Obama, although I'm not a registered Democrat.
Why?
Colin Powell's endorsement was the final touch.
But Obama's second book went a long way toward convincing me too.
And I think if he holds to his vision, as articulated in his second book, the country will be better off for it regardless of one's ideology. At heart he's a centrist in the vein of Bill Clinton, but much more principled.
While I have some reservations about his readiness to command effective foreign policy, I believe he has the proper temperament for the task at hand. Then again, he's older than JFK was when sworn in. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| Just don't vote for a candidate because he seems like a "nice guy." |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| As Ya-ta Boy has said, it's not the national polls you should be looking at, the state polls are what matter. |
Well, according to one round of polls...
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| A Zogby poll shows gains for McCain in Indiana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, and Virginia. In Missouri, he and Obama are now tied. |
Granted, this is Zogby, which I gather is considered unreliable by some. Still, I suspect that Obama will not in fact win as many of these conservative states as is being predicted.... |
Real Clear Politics says different. Tonight they say Obama is only 0.6% behind in Indiana. INDIANA!!! Even more to the point, they say VIRGINIA is in the bag for Obama. He's sitting at 259 and only needs 11 more to win and VIRGINIA can give him 13. He's up to a 6.0% lead in OHIO.
Of course, no one can say who will really turn out on Election Day and actually vote, and which votes will be counted (given the voting suppression activities of 'certain parties')...but with 11 days to go, it is pretty certain Obama will win.
The absolute worst turnout of the election would be a close election, with a contested state or two. That would be 'guaranteed' to turn out different than 2000. Gore chose not to contest the Supreme Court decision. I don't think that would happen a second time. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| isn't up to dealing with Al Qaeda |
Al Qaeda has come out with an endorsement of John McCain. 
Of course, the McCain campaign has said that is an attempt at 'reverse psychology' and they support that with Hammas' 'endorsement' of Obama. Their logic: believe that Hammas is using 'straight talk' but believe that Al Qaeda is using reverse psychology.
We have already been bamboozled once with letting foreign terrorist types decide who should be our president when we let the Iranians decide Reagan should be president in '80 and we've seen where that led us. I think it is time we decide who would be best for us, not best for Iran. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| isn't up to dealing with Al Qaeda |
Al Qaeda has come out with an endorsement of John McCain.
Of course, the McCain campaign has said that is an attempt at 'reverse psychology' and they support that with Hammas' 'endorsement' of Obama. Their logic: believe that Hammas is using 'straight talk' but believe that Al Qaeda is using reverse psychology.
We have already been bamboozled once with letting foreign terrorist types decide who should be our president when we let the Iranians decide Reagan should be president in '80 and we've seen where that led us. I think it is time we decide who would be best for us, not best for Iran. |
Exactly. The Iraq War was the biggest boom for terrorist recruits. If you wanted to keep US forces in Iraq to bolster support for Al Qaeda and prove how 'evil' the US is, wouldn't you want to Americans to vote in McCain? Peaceful Muslims are supporting Obama, the ones who want war are supporting McCain. It's simple logic. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| Peaceful Muslims are supporting Obama, the ones who want war are supporting McCain. It's simple logic. |
Hey.... just like non-Muslims!
Neato! |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| isn't up to dealing with Al Qaeda |
Al Qaeda has come out with an endorsement of John McCain.
Of course, the McCain campaign has said that is an attempt at 'reverse psychology' and they support that with Hammas' 'endorsement' of Obama. Their logic: believe that Hammas is using 'straight talk' but believe that Al Qaeda is using reverse psychology.
We have already been bamboozled once with letting foreign terrorist types decide who should be our president when we let the Iranians decide Reagan should be president in '80 and we've seen where that led us. I think it is time we decide who would be best for us, not best for Iran. |
Exactly. The Iraq War was the biggest boom for terrorist recruits. If you wanted to keep US forces in Iraq to bolster support for Al Qaeda and prove how 'evil' the US is, wouldn't you want to Americans to vote in McCain? Peaceful Muslims are supporting Obama, the ones who want war are supporting McCain. It's simple logic. |
70,000 trained in AQ camps during the 90s. Before the US invaded Iraq
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4146969.stm
The real cause of terror is that mideast regimes and elties encourage it and allow it to happen.
It isn't cause the US invaded Iraq.
When mideast regimes decided to lop the heads off Al Qaeda supporters there won't be Al Qaeda.
What the US needs to do is get mideast regimes to violate the human rights of those who support Al Qaeda
The best way to deal with Iran is to build this
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/03/12/INGS6HID5A1.DTL
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/magazine/10section3a.t-9.html
and invest in alternative energy.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| OP: he would need to be a nutty Christian without a funny name who spent his time going around the country giving "real America" verbal handjobs about how wonderful they are. Being white, sure as hell wouldn't hurt either. I notice that McCain does well in the South/former slave states. |
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mmarshalynne
Joined: 23 May 2008
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| The Goldwaters of Arizona - staunch republicans, but republicans who believe in a woman's choice, just endorsed Obama. Many Republicans are questioning whether O'Bama would be a better choice, but people who are religious and believe that abortion is a mortal sin, will never vote for O'Bama. |
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