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Is marriage like believing in Santa claus? Is it stupid?
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:46 am    Post subject: Is marriage like believing in Santa claus? Is it stupid? Reply with quote

Is marriage a religious silly tradition passed down through history? Is marriage really necessary in a scientific world with reason?
In a non religious view or an atheists view, someone who thinks old traditions and religions are just stupid traditions and superstition why even get married?
Wouldn�t marriage just be a silly tradition for atheists?
And what about monogamy?
why does there have to be monogamy?
Again aren�t these rules past down with some kind of religion morality?
Monogamy, I shall not do this! I will be this! I shall do this blar blar�
And then it�s sworn on god!
I mean plenty of Christians divorce! Plenty of atheists get married!
We have swingers who are Christians; we have Muslims, who will stone you to death if you cheat on your husband,
If religion leaves earth, where does that leave marriage?

If marriage is an old religious purpose with morality then doesn�t it belong in the same group with Christians, Buddhists, and other silly group�s atheist find to be stupid?
we can procreate no problem; we don�t need to marry to raise kids.
Is marriage just as silly as believing in Santa Claus?
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M-su



Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satan Claus is Awesome and you know it!

Also, Santa is from Finland, not the north pole!
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JMO



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: Is marriage like believing in Santa claus? Is it stupid? Reply with quote

OK Im going to answer each and every one of these questions honestly and openly. Please, please do not ignore the answers and just restate your claims later.

itaewonguy wrote:
Is marriage a religious silly tradition passed down through history?



It is a religious tradition but it is not silly. It has been passed down through history.

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Is marriage really necessary in a scientific world with reason?


For legal reasons and matters of inheritance, I would say yes.

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In a non religious view or an atheists view, someone who thinks old traditions and religions are just stupid traditions and superstition why even get married?


For legal reasons.

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Wouldn�t marriage just be a silly tradition for atheists?


Possibly. Depends on the person. I personally(I'm an athiest) don't believe its a silly tradition.

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And what about monogamy?


Not all religions or cultures are monogamous. I wouldn't say it's silly or not. It is something that is defined by your culture.

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why does there have to be monogamy?


There doesn't have to be. In a strict sense I doubt any culture is truly monogamous.

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Again aren�t these rules past down with some kind of religion morality?


Religious morality and rules are normally derived from the needs of a particular culture. I'd say monogamy is designed to stop resentfulness from wifeless men in a polygamous culture. This can be dangerous.
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If religion leaves earth, where does that leave marriage?


as a ceremony, that joins people legally.


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If marriage is an old religious purpose with morality then doesn�t it belong in the same group with Christians, Buddhists, and other silly group�s atheist find to be stupid?


Not all atheists believe religion to be stupid, they just don't believe in a God. Personally I think religions are human made and therefore reflect the needs of their particular culture. Joining two people legally is a need.
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Is marriage just as silly as believing in Santa Claus?


nope. marriage exists.
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marriage was around a lot longer than current religions. So were morals and democracy even. You Christians are always asking stupid rhetorical questions like this, but what society is now has nothing to do with Christianity, as Christianity in itself can be traced back to other ideas before it.
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the boy next door



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there's no comparison.

i thought i had found my soul mate with a variety of sexually attractive women before i fell in love with the girl that is now my wife.

those lustful flings were merely that. it transitorily came and went but the first time i set eyes on my wife, something beyond magical, something beyond celestial, beyond anything hedonically yielding, some inescapable sensation better than physical life itself and even transcending spiritual satisfaction gripped the sheer essence of my entire being; i just knew i had to marry this woman and spend the rest of my life with her. i just knew if we married, i would be able to make it through this silly world with her but if we didn't marry, i'd end up nothing and sadly perish alone.

that is the truth about marriage.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
what society is now has nothing to do with Christianity


This cannot be right. What society is now has been affected by Christianity on some level and to some degree.
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red_devil



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:51 am    Post subject: Re: Is marriage like believing in Santa claus? Is it stupid? Reply with quote

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Is marriage a religious silly tradition passed down through history? Is marriage really necessary in a scientific world with reason?

We are not a wholly scientific world, and i doubt we ever will be. For many the cold (albeit harsh) reality of Science lacks the human qualities of emotions that most need.

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In a non religious view or an atheists view, someone who thinks old traditions and religions are just stupid traditions and superstition why even get married?

See below. Not all traditions are superstitious or religiously based. Tradition, routine are important factors of human development and social interaction.

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Wouldn�t marriage just be a silly tradition for atheists?

Marriage in many places offers significant social benefits, and tax benefits. The celebration of two people "becoming one" isn't necessarily a religious one.

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And what about monogamy?
why does there have to be monogamy?

Scientifically, there is no reason. Less than 5% of the world's mammals participate in this kind of monogamy. A specific species should try to procreate and spread their genes as much as possible as indicated by male hormone activity. Socially perhaps a method of population control closely intertwined with religious and philosophical principles? If you "divide" your love among more than one person than each person will get less than 100% of your "heart" (love) is what the basic ideas are.

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Again aren�t these rules past down with some kind of religion morality?

Yes, barring the practical reasons i've stated above.

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Monogamy, I shall not do this! I will be this! I shall do this blar blar�
And then it�s sworn on god!
I mean plenty of Christians divorce! Plenty of atheists get married!
We have swingers who are Christians; we have Muslims, who will stone you to death if you cheat on your husband,
If religion leaves earth, where does that leave marriage?

A non-religious tradition that offers some social benefits..something like having two people on one car insurance rather than paying for two separate car insurance. Christians that divorce, or atheists that get married do not necessarily invalidate the principles they believe in.

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If marriage is an old religious purpose with morality then doesn�t it belong in the same group with Christians, Buddhists, and other silly group�s atheist find to be stupid?

I do not call religion "stupid" persay nor do i think if religion were to magically vanish tomorrow, that the world would be in a better state than today. Such in-eloquent vocabulary shows lack of education. Certainly some of the best thinkers throughout human history were religious in nature, and they were certainly NOT stupid. If i was forced to throw out some words i might say, mis-guided or naive.

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we can procreate no problem; we don�t need to marry to raise kids.
Is marriage just as silly as believing in Santa Claus?

Marriage exists, Santa Claus does not. Believing in a theistic Christian God, however, would be as silly as believing in Santa Claus.
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Stormy



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe in marriage but I do believe in Santa Clause, especially at this time of year. He's making a list you know.
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Omkara



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kind of like this clip; it's worth thinking about. It's a kick t'boot!

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I
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D.D.



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omkara wrote:
I kind of like this clip; it's worth thinking about. It's a kick t'boot!

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I


Just when I thought there was no hope on for Dave's posters you pass on a link to the smartest man to grace this planet. Way to go.
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the_beaver



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Is marriage like believing in Santa claus? Is it stupid? Reply with quote

I've been saying forever that marriage is a stupid and antiquated idea. The only good reasons I've seen for it have been stated by red_devil:

red_devil wrote:
Marriage in many places offers significant social benefits, and tax benefits. The celebration of two people "becoming one" isn't necessarily a religious one.


When I was a kid everybody said '"when" I get married', which is nowadays changing to '"if" I get married.'
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Justin Hale



Joined: 24 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another reason for monogamous marriage which no-one has mentioned yet in their otherwise good replies is to try to guarantee a wife for every male. Polygamy would see a privileged few males eating up the supply of girls, meaning many guys, especially the poor, don't have a chance of getting laid.

Can totally see the logic of monogamous marriage. On balance, I prolly prefer a monogamous society. Polygamous societies - inevitably - are full of sex-starved, insanely angry men who think blowing themselves up in an Israeli orphanage will bring them - guess what - sex rewards in the afterlife. They need to get freakin' laid already!
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EzeWong



Joined: 26 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This may sound "stupid" (especially coming from a guy)

But as a kid I used to pedestal marrige as the one turning point in one's life where they would be complete with 1 other special person.

I used to think that it would be some magical thing that could cross cosmos and move mountains. I used to watch a lot of disney type crap is probably where I got this idea.

Anyways, in a way I still think it's something special. That there is 1 person that will completely make another person "whole". And I used to think THAT'S what marrige should be about.

Although, nowadays... especially being in Korea I know reality is far from it. In fact marrige seems like some worthless term thrown around to mean 2 people that barely like each other getting together for rumbles in the hay. Especially in Korea, anyone will get married with just about anyTHING if "time runs out"...

In a way it's exactly the way you put it: "Marrige is like believing in Santa Claus".

When you're a kid you're taught that marrige is magical and special. When you grow up you see that it's really just a fat guy in a suit.

I'm still pretty broken up about the whole reality... There a support group for this kind of stuff?
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red_devil



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Is marriage like believing in Santa claus? Is it stupid? Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
I've been saying forever that marriage is a stupid and antiquated idea. The only good reasons I've seen for it have been stated by red_devil:

red_devil wrote:
Marriage in many places offers significant social benefits, and tax benefits. The celebration of two people "becoming one" isn't necessarily a religious one.


When I was a kid everybody said '"when" I get married', which is nowadays changing to '"if" I get married.'


This is why celebrities and wealthy people who are NOT religious rarely marry...or if they marry it's largely for publicity purposes. If you're fabulously wealthy those "social benefits" don't amount to much. By many (good example being Donald Trump, he sure has learned about prenups) they view marriage as they would view a company merger. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are good examples of having a long term, serious, domestic partnership with no plans for marriage. There is no advantage marriage can give them.
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think monogamy is culturally relative as the first reply stated. Monogamy is a biological and evolutionary necessity; as is jealousy. People are meant to pair bond in order to ensure the survival of their offspring, thus the necessity of monogamy and the existence of jealousy. There are a lot of other reasons too, some of them are imprinted into our DNA and others are not.

It's funny how our own genetics are riddled with contradictions. A lot of men want to sleep with every attractive girl on the planet (to spread the seed), yet there is also a biological obligation to not do that; which is where our moral obligation derived from, which is the precursor to it being recorded in our religious documents.

I do believe in marriage and I do believe in love. Those things are not hallmark sentiments; nor are they spoken of a religious tradition. Marriage has mutual benefits for both partners if and only if it is a good marriage. I do think, however, that all marriages have a life cycle and it is only those "extra special" marriages that can last for entire lives.

I'd be extra careful dating a girl whose parents got divorced because she might not have the same faith in marriage as I do. I want to get married. F*ck, I sound like a K girl.
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