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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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He wants to sell a book. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| Courts want evidence. What is your evidence that (a) W. Bush issued "the orders"; and that (b) those orders included "kill civilians?" |
Gopher - you don't need a "smokin gun" or George on tape saying, "kill them bastards". You only need to show that he knowingly took actions which were illegal and would certain lead to civilian deaths. There is LOTS of evidence of this, way beyond that big pile to do with the prefabricated war.... Get informed.
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| Also, we are at war |
LOL! Yeah, with who? what fantasy land do you live in? This is only a war by order of the propaganda machine of the Oval Office.
If you defend any actions of the Bush administration -- you are defending the terrorists that took down the towers. It is the same thing. Attacking, strong takes the weak, we form what is just.........in a word - delusional. Just as those idiots killed thousands of Americans, America has done the same, purely, just got revenge - nothing civilized about it. Call it what it is. If America wants to return to the "decent" world -- they will have to clean house and throw out the dirt and piss.
Oh yeah, about the rambling. Sorry, I don't think in straight lines. That's so old century....
Blowback referred to what a stupid thing it is to cross international borders, kill civilians and then expect that hundreds of decent, normal Americans not around the trough like George W. will not have to pay.
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head-in-the-clouds
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: London for now
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| Courts want evidence. What is your evidence that (a) W. Bush issued "the orders"; and that (b) those orders included "kill civilians?" |
Gopher - you don't need a "smokin gun" or George on tape saying, "kill them bastards". You only need to show that he knowingly took actions which were illegal and would certain lead to civilian deaths. There is LOTS of evidence of this, way beyond that big pile to do with the prefabricated war.... Get informed.
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| Also, we are at war |
LOL! Yeah, with who? what fantasy land do you live in? This is only a war by order of the propaganda machine of the Oval Office.
If you defend any actions of the Bush administration -- you are defending the terrorists that took down the towers. It is the same thing. Attacking, strong takes the weak, we form what is just.........in a word - delusional. Just as those idiots killed thousands of Americans, America has done the same, purely, just got revenge - nothing civilized about it. Call it what it is. If America wants to return to the "decent" world -- they will have to clean house and throw out the dirt and piss.
Oh yeah, about the rambling. Sorry, I don't think in straight lines. That's so old century....
Blowback referred to what a stupid thing it is to cross international borders, kill civilians and then expect that hundreds of decent, normal Americans not around the trough like George W. will not have to pay.
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You should be tried for crimes against the state. Your a traitor. Bend over for your muslim buddys |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: |
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It does ramble. My only response is that I disagree with you; America is not the villain; and as far as "the rest of the world" goes, "decent" is not the first adjective that comes to mind.
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| Blowback referred to what a stupid thing it is to cross international borders, kill civilians and then expect that hundreds of decent, normal Americans not around the trough like George W. will not have to pay. |
C. Johnson hijacked "blowback," CIA's term of art for black propaganda or false press reports that friendly press outlets unknowingly repeat in his bestselling "trilogy" books years ago. Not a few people follow his inaccurate definition that "blowback" was CIA's term for antiAmerican responses to American-sponsored covert operations abroad. Now you seem to have improvised an entirely new definition. Slippery term, I guess. In fact, I guess post-C. Johnson it just means "bad America." |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Syria should not provide sanctuary to the likes of Abu Ghadiyah's aka Badran Turki al-Mazidih. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Syria should not provide sanctuary to the likes of Abu Ghadiyah's aka Badran Turki al-Mazidih. |
LOL!
The U.S.A. should not provide sanctuary to the likes of Donald Rumsfeld aka Rummy.
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Syria should not provide sanctuary to the likes of Abu Ghadiyah's aka Badran Turki al-Mazidih. |
LOL!
The U.S.A. should not provide sanctuary to the likes of Donald Rumsfeld aka Rummy.
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Why not he was born here? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| The U.S.A. should not provide sanctuary to the likes of Donald Rumsfeld aka Rummy. |
Then gather your forces, Ddeubel, and strike the United States. The Syrian govt may also do this at will. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| The U.S.A. should not provide sanctuary to the likes of Donald Rumsfeld aka Rummy. |
Then gather your forces, Ddeubel, and strike the United States. The Syrian govt may also do this at will. |
If the Syrians have the stones for that, then let 'em have at it. Won't last long. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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I guess nobody wants to talk about the air strike anymore, but here's an interesting article assessing it.
http://www.slate.com/id/2203243/ |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Then gather your forces, Ddeubel, and strike the United States. The Syrian govt may also do this at will. |
As always, you flash your true colors eventually, once you crawl up enough from your hole for the light of day to shine....
It isn't about "might = right". Right = right. And there is no right in what the U.S. of A. has done in terms of transgressing international borders, kidnapping, torturing, bombing and killing civilians.
This action, like so many others, just continues violence and death. It will flame asymmetrical warfare and innocents will get caught in the bravado of your crosshairs. No leadership at all -- this "we got a bigger stick than you."
Keep on goosestepping Gopher, because despite all your fanciful thoughts of patriotism, allegiance, fighting brothers -- it is just that. Allegiance to a wrong, violent cause.
DD
http://eflclassroom.ning.com |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| This is one of the reasons why the Iraqi government will not sign the new SOFA deal with the US. Iraq doesn't want to be used as a launching pad for invasions into other countries. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Stopping Saddam , Khomeni or Bin Laden or those that follow them is justice and it saves lives and it has saved lives. |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| This is one of the reasons why the Iraqi government will not sign the new SOFA deal with the US. Iraq doesn't want to be used as a launching pad for invasions into other countries. |
Good I hope they don't sign it. |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Then gather your forces, Ddeubel, and strike the United States. The Syrian govt may also do this at will. |
As always, you flash your true colors eventually, once you crawl up enough from your hole for the light of day to shine....
It isn't about "might = right". Right = right. And there is no right in what the U.S. of A. has done in terms of transgressing international borders, kidnapping, torturing, bombing and killing civilians.
This action, like so many others, just continues violence and death. It will flame asymmetrical warfare and innocents will get caught in the bravado of your crosshairs. No leadership at all -- this "we got a bigger stick than you."
Keep on goosestepping Gopher, because despite all your fanciful thoughts of patriotism, allegiance, fighting brothers -- it is just that. Allegiance to a wrong, violent cause.
DD
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The world would be a better place without the Baathist last enclave. |
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