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Gollywog
Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Location: Debussy's brain
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: Korean pop group plagiarizes 'Stars and Stripes Forever' |
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I was in the store (Lotte) this weekend and amid the usual blaring garbage music came a Korean hyper technopop version of Stars and Stripes Forever, or at least half of the song was.
I don't know whether they thought they could plagiarize it without being noticed, or whether they had turned it into some sort of anti-American sneer song. There were words, and whatever they were, the music and presentation certainly was not respectful.
This is a piece of music about America's national flag, and one of the most important national pieces of music, next to our national anthem.
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"Stars and Stripes Forever" is a patriotic American march widely considered to be the magnum opus of composer John Philip Sousa. By act of Congress, it is the National March of the United States of America.[1] |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stars_and_Stripes_Forever_(march)
How would you like it if an American rock group turned Arirang into some blaring piece with electric guitars and played it in a strip joint, Korea? You wouldn't, would you? You would probably recall your ambassador to the U.S., and protesters across Korea would burn American flags.
Korea, if you want to be respected by other countries, how about acting respectful to other countries? This piece of music is an insult. |
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IAMAROBOT
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:05 am Post subject: |
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How is it different from sampling or mixing it, or doing whatever DJs do to songs? Also, Stars and Stripes is old enough to be in public domain, so what they're doing certainly isn't illegal.
Also, are you going to let some anti-American slight get to you? For as long as anyone could remember, people from around the world have riffed on Americans, so you develop a thick skin when it comes to stuff like this. No big deal. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Racist Troll Attacks Korea |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: |
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samd wrote: |
Racist Troll Attacks Korea |
Oh. There's the "R" word again. What an idiotic reason to call someone a racist. Not that I don't agree that this is a non-issue.
Do you follow me? Huh? Huh? Huh? Can you? |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: |
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yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
samd wrote: |
Racist Troll Attacks Korea |
Oh. There's the "R" word again. What an idiotic reason to call someone a racist. Not that I don't agree that this is a non-issue.
Do you follow me? Huh? Huh? Huh? Can you? |
His username is racist.
Do you follow me? Huh? Huh? Huh? Can you? |
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EzeWong

Joined: 26 Mar 2008 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: |
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Personally, I would not get offended if I heard it.
For several reasons:
1) an American DJ may have made it...
2) Their intention wasn't to insult. People don't regard their own craft as degrading. Their goal was to make music from sampling and in fact they thought the song was good enough to be used as remix. If anything they like the song and hold it in regard.
3) Stars and Stripes is significant, but not a symbol like the anthem is.
4) Even if it was a Korean, it was one individual who made the song. It's one individual. He/she doesn't represent all Koreans. If an American DJ did the same thing, obviously not all Americans would feel the same way as that DJ.
5) People aren't really all that PC or aware of things that might be insulting. I give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't exactly see Americans being flabergasted if we had a remix of the Korean national Anthem... Let alone even aware of what it sounds like.
There's many more reasons I wouldn't be offended. But the fact is you are offended. But don't let it bother you. How many Koreans even know what it is? Could you even blame them? How many of us can claim we know the English, French, German, Anthems? They aren't intending to be offensive. So give them a little room for ignorance. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Korean pop group plagiarizes 'Stars and Stripes Forever' |
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Gollywog wrote: |
This is a piece of music about America's national flag, and one of the most important national pieces of music, next to our national anthem.
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"Stars and Stripes Forever" is a patriotic American march widely considered to be the magnum opus of composer John Philip Sousa. By act of Congress, it is the National March of the United States of America.[1] |
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=JHcEssGE8Gc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stars_and_Stripes_Forever_(march)
How would you like it if an American rock group turned Arirang into some blaring piece with electric guitars and played it in a strip joint, Korea? You wouldn't, would you? You would probably recall your ambassador to the U.S., and protesters across Korea would burn American flags.
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Happy?
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=JHcEssGE8Gc |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: |
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samd wrote: |
yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
samd wrote: |
Racist Troll Attacks Korea |
Oh. There's the "R" word again. What an idiotic reason to call someone a racist. Not that I don't agree that this is a non-issue.
Do you follow me? Huh? Huh? Huh? Can you? |
His username is racist.
Do you follow me? Huh? Huh? Huh? Can you? |
Didn't catch that. Still, it's just a username and the use of it doesn't necessarily mean anything. And you're pretty quick to call people racist. His post wasn't racist. I don't think you even know the meaning of the word. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Talk about overreacting. And they say liberals are the crazy ones... |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
And you're pretty quick to call people racist. His post wasn't racist. I don't think you even know the meaning of the word. |
Samd comes from the "if you don't agree with someone, automatically call the person a racist so they're put on the defensive and don't actually make you support your attack" school of debate. Take NOTHING he says seriously.
Oh, and I think the OP is less angry about the use of the song, so much as the hypocrisy of the situation. Any tiny mention of Korea in a negative way gets people smashing buses and attacking embassies, yet they're allowed to do the same thing to other nations and think nothing of it. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Scotticus wrote: |
Oh, and I think the OP is less angry about the use of the song, so much as the hypocrisy of the situation. Any tiny mention of Korea in a negative way gets people smashing buses and attacking embassies, yet they're allowed to do the same thing to other nations and think nothing of it. |
Yes, it's hypocritical, but we don't have to act like they would act.
And, do we even know if the intent of the song was to slander the USA, or is the sampling just a cheap gimmick like most of the rest of their music contains? |
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Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Location: In Cognito
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Meh, Pachabel's been constantly rolling in his grave since Korea got a hold of his canon. Not that it's a particularly inspiring piece of music to begin with. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Scotticus wrote: |
yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
And you're pretty quick to call people racist. His post wasn't racist. I don't think you even know the meaning of the word. |
Samd comes from the "if you don't agree with someone, automatically call the person a racist so they're put on the defensive and don't actually make you support your attack" school of debate. Take NOTHING he says seriously.
Oh, and I think the OP is less angry about the use of the song, so much as the hypocrisy of the situation. Any tiny mention of Korea in a negative way gets people smashing buses and attacking embassies, yet they're allowed to do the same thing to other nations and think nothing of it. |
Why are you providing context? That's racist. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Korea's national anthem has, in the past, been sung to the tune of God Save the Queen and Scotland the Brave. Once something is more than 100 years old it is public domain and no longer under copyright. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Scotticus wrote: |
yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
And you're pretty quick to call people racist. His post wasn't racist. I don't think you even know the meaning of the word. |
Samd comes from the "if you don't agree with someone, automatically call the person a racist so they're put on the defensive and don't actually make you support your attack" school of debate. Take NOTHING he says seriously.
Oh, and I think the OP is less angry about the use of the song, so much as the hypocrisy of the situation. Any tiny mention of Korea in a negative way gets people smashing buses and attacking embassies, yet they're allowed to do the same thing to other nations and think nothing of it. |
Ah Scotticus, I love it how you appear out of nowhere to attack my posts.
I have called Gollwog a racist in the past, and will continue to do so until he is banned or leaves the forum. I have also refered to threads or posts in general racist, but apart from that, I don't think I have ever come out and said "You're a racist" to anyone on this board.
Feel free to go through my post history and prove me wrong. It's funny though, that whenever I challenge you to do this, you never reply.
yingwenlaoshi, his post wasn't racist, but he is a racist troll. Hence my initial post.
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