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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| It is obvious that certain genres carry certain themes. Could you imagine a hip-hop song about growing up on a farm, or a country song about aliens and vampires, or a punk song about having a high salary? Yeah, it could be done, but it would take additional talent to pull off. |
I don't know.. there are some great "alternative hip-hop" artists out there who rap about entirely different stuff than rolling through their hoods popping caps and whoring. Dr. Octagon, Madvillain, Jurassic 5, Blackalicious... |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| It is obvious that certain genres carry certain themes. Could you imagine a hip-hop song about growing up on a farm, or a country song about aliens and vampires, or a punk song about having a high salary? Yeah, it could be done, but it would take additional talent to pull off. |
I don't know.. there are some great "alternative hip-hop" artists out there who rap about entirely different stuff than rolling through their hoods popping caps and whoring. Dr. Octagon, Madvillain, Jurassic 5, Blackalicious... |
And are they average at what they do, or above average? Are they Vanilla Ices or Eminems? |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| It is obvious that certain genres carry certain themes. Could you imagine a hip-hop song about growing up on a farm, or a country song about aliens and vampires, or a punk song about having a high salary? Yeah, it could be done, but it would take additional talent to pull off. |
I don't know.. there are some great "alternative hip-hop" artists out there who rap about entirely different stuff than rolling through their hoods popping caps and whoring. Dr. Octagon, Madvillain, Jurassic 5, Blackalicious... |
And are they average at what they do, or above average? Are they Vanilla Ices or Eminems? |
well above average |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:29 am Post subject: |
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The problem i have is you people that think that hip hop, and rap MUST be performed by black, thugs, and talk about gangs, drugs, violence, sex, and the ghetto..or ELSE it's not legit. That kind of ass-backwards racism is funny and highly ironic considering most of you rant and bitch non-stop about how racist Koreans are. I have respect for groups like Epik High that do their own thing, and try to create fusion in the styles they like with utter disregard for labels and categories about what is "real rap". Those are the real artists. |
stfu newb... and check out what I posted on another thread
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=126364&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=hilltop
Atmosphere - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=84nqfhmo3tA
Ugly Duckling - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=HDtE6XXCAbw
Hilltop Hoods - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=6s7ywGSm6B4
Braille - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp-93wImRnI
Sage Francis - http://kr.youtube.com/watchv=PUuZaTRLrws&feature=related
Eyedea - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=1HUf9j9XBLw
Apathy - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=cLv-vxyrWvc
Necro - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=Fppz289-LdU
7L & Esoteric - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=9GA-K5GvX7o
Aesop Rock - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAKOfk7_ho
Ill Bill - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=YqScOIKDmUQ
Non Phixion - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=vHdkmNPNcV8
Jedi Mind Tricks -
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=sE3qm3MoW7Y&feature=related
Cage - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=JJFBZE3RkyI
El-P - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=dNJFq6VjHJI
Time Machine - 2/3 white
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyqpSJCXic&feature=related
Starving Artists Crew - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=3s9guxswekI
Sound Providers -
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=fdQ7vV60rbk&feature=related
The Procussions Mr. J. Medeiros -
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=qqyLRpGgxRs
Jehst - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=PjeBmYd_nRM&feature=related
Braintax - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ5ADmdx3lo
Taskforce - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=AUZlH7N-24I
Pegz - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw4fkxSkU6Q&feature=related
Bias B - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=zBQ3RTetHLE
Muph and Plutonic -
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=NV_6VL1jNqg&feature=user
Downsyde -
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=qtD96gvD9Wk&feature=related
Bliss N Eso -
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=4NH_S8iRjzg&feature=related
Funkoars -
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=YmgZj0s66Bw&feature=related
Brad Strut - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=o8V_D6RZOJw
Delta - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=aCaaULdBA84
Lyrical Commision - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv9QXkL4Deg
Tzu - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=aP48CW1OU5c
Hocus Pocus -
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=-HSmnIMvgyE&feature=related
Buck 65 - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=9wyyVh3uc5Y
Edan - http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=hRWIPzS_QBw&feature=related
as you can tell all these are all the sterotypes you mentioned...
get over ur preference, cause the hip hop you posted sux...
and I loosely call it hip hop... more likely just pop |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| red_devil wrote: |
The problem i have is you people that think that hip hop, and rap MUST be performed by black, thugs, and talk about gangs, drugs, violence, sex, and the ghetto..or ELSE it's not legit. That kind of ass-backwards racism is funny and highly ironic considering most of you rant and bitch non-stop about how racist Koreans are. I have respect for groups like Epik High that do their own thing, and try to create fusion in the styles they like with utter disregard for labels and categories about what is "real rap". Those are the real artists. |
i think the argument is that if it's music, it should be good, or intelligent people shouldn't spend money on it.
maybe that's why koreans mostly download this crap. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: |
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the above artists all blow hard...
they're pop, not hip hop, not rap...
with the exception of dynamic duo... who used to be cb mass for those who remember or care |
Yeah, Dynamic Duo is decent. They have some funk and don't take themselves too seriously. |
Well whatever, i think Country music blows too, despite the fact half the continental US loves it. Big deal, it's called PREFERENCE get over it.
The problem i have is you people that think that hip hop, and rap MUST be performed by black, thugs, and talk about gangs, drugs, violence, sex, and the ghetto..or ELSE it's not legit. That kind of ass-backwards racism is funny and highly ironic considering most of you rant and bitch non-stop about how racist Koreans are. I have respect for groups like Epik High that do their own thing, and try to create fusion in the styles they like with utter disregard for labels and categories about what is "real rap". Those are the real artists. |
You totally missed the point.
Whether or not you like Country music is totally irrelevant. That story was just a scenario to parody the rise in popularity of a musical genre in a radically different setting, totally removed from its roots and identity to the point of hilarity. The fact that the Country music group was black was just to show contrast.
YOU may respect and like those groups, but that doesn't mean other people have to agree with you. Just deal with it.
Most people from other countries don't really care what other countries think of "their" music, etc. to the extent that most Koreans seem to care. It's kind of a bizarre obsession they seem to have.
Also, negative bias does not automatically equal racism, so stop playing the victim card. We can ridicule a music group if we want to, it doesn't mean we are inherently anti-Korean! Get over it.
But hey, maybe you should join a hip hop forum and see what they think of some of those groups. I bet a lot of people would be surprised that there is so much hip hop coming out of Korea. Now, whether they will actually like it or not is another matter, but who cares? If YOU like it, enjoy it. To quote you: "Big deal, it's called PREFERENCE get over it. " Maybe you could take your own advice? |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:50 am Post subject: |
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dudes, do you remember the good ol' days when california fitness was a gym?
do you remember how much it envigorated the korean hiphop scene?
do you remember how many korean hiphop stars... oh wait, they never worked out. |
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santafly
Joined: 20 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| the dynamic duo vid that komtengi posted is fukkn hilarious - there must be some american exposure there - american tv references. most of the music stills sucks though - this garion song isn't bad: http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq_rngDwuAM&feature=related |
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santafly
Joined: 20 Feb 2008
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| I was trying to figure out what it is that isn't quite there - it's everything. The beats and the samples suck, all of their voices sound the same and none of the rhymes have any depth, style or soul. I hate to make it so simple but....black people (and latinos) make better music, it's just the way it is. Korean culture has no bounce. |
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santafly
Joined: 20 Feb 2008
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santafly
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GoldSoundz
Joined: 12 Jun 2008
Location: Pohang
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: |
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El-P, Atmosphere, Ugly Duckling, Aesop Rock, Dr. Octagon, Madvillain, Jurassic 5, Blackalicious...
Wow. I had nearly forgotten how amazing hip-hop could be since coming to Korea. All of the above got steady spins from me back in the States.
So are there any indie-rappers like the ones above in Korea?
The kids here swear this poppy R and B is "hip hop". I get so sick of hearing that K-Pop stuff spewing outta every cell phone and store that I just can't wait to get home and throw on some "Paid In Full" (Platinum Edition) or some Grand Buffet to scour my ears out with.
Seriously, who's the De La Soul of Korea? |
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