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seosan08

Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: Liberals, How Do You Like Your New Messiah Now?!? |
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Liberals voice concerns about Obama
Carol E. Lee, Nia-Malika Henderson Carol E. Lee, Nia-malika Henderson
Dec 8, 2008
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081208/pl_politico/16292
Liberals are growing increasingly nervous � and some just flat-out angry � that President-elect Barack Obama seems to be stiffing them on Cabinet jobs and policy choices.
Obama has reversed pledges to immediately repeal tax cuts for the wealthy and take on Big Oil. He�s hedged his call for a quick drawdown in Iraq. And he�s stocking his White House with anything but stalwarts of the left.
Now some are shedding a reluctance to puncture the liberal euphoria at being rid of President George W. Bush to say, in effect, that the new boss looks like the old boss.
�He has confirmed what our suspicions were by surrounding himself with a centrist to right cabinet. But we do hope that before it's all over we can get at least one authentic progressive appointment,� said Tim Carpenter, national director of the Progressive Democrats of America.
OpenLeft blogger Chris Bowers went so far as to issue this plaintive plea: �Isn't there ever a point when we can get an actual Democratic administration.............
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081208/pl_politico/16292 |
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Perceptioncheck
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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This is CLEARLY because of the homosexual global elite.
Oh, hang on. . . |
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canuckistan Mod Team


Joined: 17 Jun 2003 Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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OpenLeft blogger Chris Bowers wrote: |
Isn't there ever a point when we can get an actual Democratic administration...? |
First he is "not Gandhi." Now he is not even "a Democrat."
Beautiful. And as predictable as clockwork, too... |
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Kimbop

Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Obama's keeping Robert Gates around. Obama's VP and Sec of State are Iraq war supporters. And Obama's keeping the Bush tax cuts. But I especially like his fancy "office of the President-elect" placards on his podium when he talks on the news. Makes him look super official! |
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Tiger Beer

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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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What the hell is a 'liberal' anyways? Can someone define one in a very CONSISTENT nature?
I know the definition, but the word is thrown around way too much as a catch-all.
During Bush's 8 years, it basically meant anyone who didn't agree with Bush 100%.
In this post, it seems to have a very narrow definition, like 'far, far left'. |
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BS.Dos.

Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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What the hell is a 'liberal' anyways |
Fundamentally? Well, liberalism rather than liberal per se, which is much harder to define as it is shaped by our own individual, historic and cultural values etc, is the subscription to the idea of rule by rules rather than rule by men (socialism, conservatism). Put another way, the contraction of state institutions (men) and the expansion of market forces (rules) through which individuals can achieve their aims.
However, given the state of the US/global economy at the moment, it makes sense that Obama sees state intervention as being the best means through which to sort out some of the problems. I'll leave it to you to decide whether this is the best approach or not. |
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bangbayed

Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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seosan, are you sure it isn't just the "evil homosexual conspiracy" that's angry with him?  |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Every left of center America I know is happy as a pig in shit with Obama. They love him. Even the right wing people I know are excited. He is actually treating his job seriously and makes it obvious. Sure, you're going to have some imprudent moveon types that want utopia now but screw them. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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mises wrote: |
Every left of center America I know is happy as a pig in shit with Obama. They love him. Even the right wing people I know are excited. He is actually treating his job seriously and makes it obvious. Sure, you're going to have some imprudent moveon types that want utopia now but screw them. |
Exactly. This is the way-far-out-(man)-in-left-field crowd throwing a hissy because Obama didn't appoint Wavy Gravy to a high-ranking cabinet position. |
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Gopher

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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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mises wrote: |
He is actually treating his job seriously and makes it obvious. |
Yes. Absolutely. Breath of fresh air, as far as Washington goes. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Liberal or not, Obama is America's new lord and savior if he can collaborate with or even force the corporations and billionairs to finally start doing the right things. It will ultimately boil down to us entering an era of, "everyone coming together to fix a failed America," because if it's totally broken system and people have given up on it, then the rich can't get richer either due to most folks not having money to spend. Already the economy is taking a fast downward spiral due to people not making enough money to have it to spend so the government is putting on this economic stimulus package to the banks and corporations in attempt to get them to lend American consumers billions of dollars. Credit is not a long term solution.
So that's the best Obama can do? There is a difference between prolonging country system collapse and rebuilding. Right now, it looks like Obama will only achieve avoiding a total country system collapse for a while, but not rebuild America and turn it back around to being a land of opportunity and the land of the free. As anyone with a brain knows, it's neither of those things any more and it's dysfunctional due to high level corruptions.
If Obama helps, he'll set the super rich in a position where they have to help out, do the right things, and share the losses with everyone else instead of gaining at everyone's loss. Obama did make this claim, "If Main St. falls, then Wall St. falls too, and we all fall. If Wall St. succeeds, then Main St. succeeds, and we all prosper." |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Oh the humanity! |
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bacasper

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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: |
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If Lieberman is calling them "virtually perfect," you know we are in for trouble.
Neocons, Republicans and War Criminals Rave About Obama's 'Team of Rivals.'
As Barack Obama's opus, "Team of Rivals," continues its rolling debut, the early reviews are in and the "critics" are full of praise for the cast:
"[T]he new administration is off to a good start."
--Senate Republican leader, Mitch McConnell.
"[S]uperb...the best of the Washington insiders...this will be a valedictocracy -- rule by those who graduate first in their high school classes."
--David Brooks, conservative New York Times columnist
"[V]irtually perfect..."
--Senator Joe Lieberman, former Democrat and John McCain's top surrogate in the 2008 campaign.
"[R]eassuring."
--Karl Rove, "Bush's brain."
"I am gobsmacked by these appointments, most of which could just as easily have come from a President McCain...this all but puts an end to the 16-month timetable for withdrawal from Iraq, the unconditional summits with dictators, and other foolishness that once emanated from the Obama campaign...[Hillary] Clinton and [James] Steinberg at State should be powerful voices for 'neo-liberalism' which is not so different in many respects from 'neo-conservativism.'"
--Max Boot, neoconservative activist, former McCain staffer.
"I see them as being sort of center-right of the Democratic party."
--James Baker, former Secretary of State and the man who led the theft of the 2000 election.
"[S]urprising continuity on foreign policy between President Bush's second term and the incoming administration....certainly nothing that represents a drastic change in how Washington does business. The expectation is that Obama is set to continue the course set by Bush..."
--Michael Goldfarb of the neoconservative Weekly Standard.
"I certainly applaud many of the appointments..."
--Senator John McCain
"So far, so good."
-- Senator Lamar Alexander, senior Republican Congressional leader.
Hillary Clinton will be "outstanding" as Secretary of State.
--Henry Kissinger, war criminal.
Rahm Emanuel is "a wise choice" in the role of Chief of Staff.
--Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, John McCain's best friend.
Obama's team shows "Our foreign policy is non-partisan."
--Ed Rollins, top Republican strategist and Mike Huckabee's 2008 campaign manager
"The country will be in good hands."
--Condoleezza Rice, George W Bush's Secretary of State
**Team of Rivals will be playing all day, every day for at least the next four years**
God help us.
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: |
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None of these appointments should come as a surprise to voters. Obama is doing exactly what he said he would do, which is promising.
The issue isn't who is going to be in his 'team of rivals', but how he intends to use them in his decision-making process. |
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