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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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 Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:37 am Post subject: Corporal punishment--your thoughts |
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So I read this on Koreabeat:
http://koreabeat.com/?p=3286
and I'd just like to know everyone else's thoughts on corporal punishment.
Frankly I�m mixed on this issue. I�m definitely not in favor of straight up corporal punishment. I think it�s lazy and obviously easy to abuse. However, I think that the threat should always be there.
Maybe I�m old-school, but I don�t think kids, up to a certain age, actually �respect� anyone in the adult sense. I think kids �love�, �fear�, or �hate� people (with a lot of indifference in-between) and that�s about it. Now, later on, in adulthood, you reinterpret those feelings as respect or disrespect but I don�t think it starts off that *complex*.
So, when it comes to kids, I�d rather be loved and feared than simply loved or simply hated. All this talk of kids respecting you is just a polite way for this woman to say what she really wants to happen.
The problem with Korea is that they�ve taken away an age old way of creating fear without replacing it with anything. So now, Korea teachers are simply loved (through overuse of games or being lax, etc), or simply hated because they are either uncreative or have no balanced way of punishing children because of parental intervention. |
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plynx
Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: |
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i think many kids would benefit from a good old-fashioned kick in the ass. i've worked with some of the most disrespectful, god-awful human beings, and all that kept running through my mind was: why doesn't your mommy just slap the crap out of you and get it over with?
i don't condone people knocking their kids around for no apparent reason, but i also think that reprimanding someone verbally doesn't always tend to work (particularly with spoiled rich kids and their entitlement issues). not everyone has Nanny 911 skills of persuasion. |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:04 am Post subject: |
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Corporal punishment is good and necessary.
Problem is that some people will always take it to extremes or use it at inappropriate times. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Ihad physical punishment from my parents and i dont hate them because of it.
Its a complex issue and determination of control issues by government is a dangerous and complex issue. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| If you need to use violence to get respect from children, you probably don't deserve it anyway. |
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joshuahirtle27
Joined: 23 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| ChinaBoy wrote: |
Corporal punishment is good and necessary.
Problem is that some people will always take it to extremes or use it at inappropriate times. |
Which is why it's been completely removed from the homes and schools of North America. It's completely silly to remove it though. A child understands cause and effect relationships of "if you're bad you get a kick in the ass" much faster than "if you're bad I will take your ball" since they can go get another ball to play with. The important thing is to tell the child WHY you are administering said kick in their ass. |
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
| If you need to use violence to get respect from children, you probably don't deserve it anyway. |
Yeah but do you remember being a kid and respecting anyone?
As a kid, you don't "respect" anyone. You either fear or love them, respect isn't even a concept that a young kid understands. Respecting someone means you admire their values, but kids don't have values. The only thing kids understand is greed and self preservation.
Thank god my father beat me. I'm thankful for it. I think I would have been doing drugs and pillaging... Hmm a stoned pirate does sound like a good life though....
A good beating is a great deterence from doing improper things. And obviously beating itself isn't good, it HAS to be done properly. The child needs to understand why they are being beaten and it has to follow from the offense asap. For example, when i was a kid I remember I was rude and said something offensive to my dad's boss like "you smell funny". Now this guy is the CEO of the company. My father took me aside, explained to me "You do not under any circumstance ever make fun of anyone... ESPECIALLY if they are in a suit." He then proceded to explain now he was going to beat me. I remember this moment and didn't mess up his chances at promotion by doing more stupid things. In fact, his boss started to like me a few years later when my father brought me up as a well mannered boy.
Good kids are a product of a good enviroment. But when you have a bunch of lawless kids where parents just think it's funny when they do something rude, it's almost impossible to raise an obident well manner child. Korea (like many countries) have lost the values of raising proper kids who understand manners and good behavior.
I'd never raise my child in the area I teach. These kids are demons and although I like gusto, it's really in all the wrong areas: being rude, obnoxious, and generally unlikeable. Whoever told us at EPIK that kids were well mannered and treat teachers with respect is full of BS. |
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plynx
Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| Goku wrote: |
| Scotticus wrote: |
| If you need to use violence to get respect from children, you probably don't deserve it anyway. |
Yeah but do you remember being a kid and respecting anyone?
As a kid, you don't "respect" anyone. You either fear or love them, respect isn't even a concept that a young kid understands. Respecting someone means you admire their values, but kids don't have values. The only thing kids understand is greed and self preservation.
Thank god my father beat me. I'm thankful for it. I think I would have been doing drugs and pillaging... Hmm a stoned pirate does sound like a good life though....
A good beating is a great deterence from doing improper things. And obviously beating itself isn't good, it HAS to be done properly. The child needs to understand why they are being beaten and it has to follow from the offense asap. For example, when i was a kid I remember I was rude and said something offensive to my dad's boss like "you smell funny". Now this guy is the CEO of the company. My father took me aside, explained to me "You do not under any circumstance ever make fun of anyone... ESPECIALLY if they are in a suit." He then proceded to explain now he was going to beat me. I remember this moment and didn't mess up his chances at promotion by doing more stupid things. In fact, his boss started to like me a few years later when my father brought me up as a well mannered boy.
Good kids are a product of a good enviroment. But when you have a bunch of lawless kids where parents just think it's funny when they do something rude, it's almost impossible to raise an obident well manner child. Korea (like many countries) have lost the values of raising proper kids who understand manners and good behavior.
I'd never raise my child in the area I teach. These kids are demons and although I like gusto, it's really in all the wrong areas: being rude, obnoxious, and generally unlikeable. Whoever told us at EPIK that kids were well mannered and treat teachers with respect is full of BS. |
perfect post. |
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TeeBee
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: |
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I'm all for corporal punishment, but only if used in conjunction with clear rules.
It was used during most of my school career, and was a fantastic deterrent to disrespectful and disruptive behaviour. It was stopped during my last few years at school, and you could CLEARLY see the deterioration in discipline among students in the lower grades when this happened.
The part that everyone forgets is that corporal punishment is very easy to avoid. Just don't break the rules! |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: |
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There are too many bleeding hearts that think it is barbaric to use corporal punishment, especially in the school system.
I really don't like that type of punishment being in the hands of teachers anyways, as someone has said before, it does get abused. However, I would love to have administrators have this option.
I remember when I was in middle school, the principal had the authority to use a strap if warranted. I only heard a kid get | | |
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