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Newfoundlander
Joined: 29 Dec 2003
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 Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:00 am Post subject: HOW DO I STOP THEM FROM HITTING EACH OTHER... ARGH |
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MY kids keep hitting each other, in particular this one kids keeps kicking the girls in my class.
I freaked out a little today and scared him and my supervisor i think, but i had to do something, it was getting out of control, last week smae kid kicked me. So corner time didn't help, talking to the kid one on one didn't help... so i screamed threw some stuff around, hopefully that would work... any suggestions... i hate yelling at children... the kids around 9.
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:03 am Post subject: Re: HOW DO I STOP THEM FROM HITTING EACH OTHER... ARGH |
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| Newfoundlander wrote: |
MY kids keep hitting each other, in particular this one kids keeps kicking the girls in my class.
I freaked out a little today and scared him and my supervisor i think, but i had to do something, it was getting out of control, last week smae kid kicked me. So corner time didn't help, talking to the kid one on one didn't help... so i screamed threw some stuff around, hopefully that would work... any suggestions... i hate yelling at children... the kids around 9.
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Hit the trouble maker. Seriously. Once he gets a feel for what it feels like to get a whack he might STFU and be a good boy.
If you can't adapt to hitting, pick the lil bastard up and put him outside the class. |
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Newfoundlander
Joined: 29 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| I cannot... CANNOT hit a child. It goes against everything i try and teach the children. I say hitting people is what stupid people do when they can't find the word to properly express themselves... THAT is out of the question, thanks for the interest though. And they wont allow tossing the kd out of class, its either him or me i think... and if i lose him as a student than its me. |
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osangrl
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
Location: osan
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:21 am Post subject: |
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koreans are always saying "dirty"...........so make the little *beep* put his hands up in the air, holding the garbage can.........for as long as it takes for him to cry.
problem solved, its not hitting, just innocent torture. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| Newfoundlander wrote: |
| I cannot... CANNOT hit a child. It goes against everything i try and teach the children. I say hitting people is what stupid people do when they can't find the word to properly express themselves... THAT is out of the question, thanks for the interest though. And they wont allow tossing the kd out of class, its either him or me i think... and if i lose him as a student than its me. |
How long you been here?
I used to think I couldn't hit a kid, but I used to have one big rule when I taught the kiddies. No fighting. If there is fighting then they can fight with me.
Not saying you have to beat them or anything, I mean they are kids. Just let them know who's the boss of the class. Which it seems isn't you 
Also about putting the kid in the hall. I am sure if you tell your director either the kid goes or I go might put things in perspective. DONT BE A PUSS either. Go home for the day. If your director fires you I'd be surprised.
Hmm I remember another thing I used to do. If you grab someone's hand and press their thumb into the hand it hurts like hell. That should shut the kid up too.
I seriously believe a little corporal punishment now and then sets the kids straight. Don't think I hit the kiddies all the time, when I taught I only hit twice that I can remember, and once was when the kid was so nuts he wouldn't come down to earth until he got a little whack on the legs. The other was a kid who kept playing with his "member" and touching the other kids, I thought it was pretty gross so I slapped his hands.
Lastly, about your comment hitting is what stupid people do: do you speak Korean? Do they understand EVERYTHING you are saying? How well are you communicating with them? Obviously not well enough or you wouldn't have posted here. Sometimes logic and communication can't work because the OTHER PERSON is too stupid to listen to you. |
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jaderedux
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Lurking outside Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I seriously believe a little corporal punishment now and then sets the kids straight. Don't think I hit the kiddies all the time, when I taught I only hit twice that I can remember, and once was when the kid was so nuts he wouldn't come down to earth until he got a little whack on the legs. The other was a kid who kept playing with his "member" and touching the other kids, I thought it was pretty gross so I slapped his hands. |
I never thought in a million years I would but I do. I teach middle school boys....after my first year ...and they were pretty good cuz I got me one mean bad voice. 8 years of debating helps. I still found that walking softly and carrying a big stick has it's merits.
I think I have used it twice...but if you are sleeping in my class you get pulled up by your hair....wakes em up real fast. You read comic books in my class you get to stand in front of the class holding the comic book in your mouth. I catch you again.....you get to come to the teachers room between classes and do the same thing. You listen to your mp3 player you get to duckwalk around the class room and during your free time at lunch.
I hate the sleeping thing big time. I walk around my class picking up students by the scruff of the neck till they sit up. I have been know to whack a desk of a sleeping student so hard they jump a good 2 feet in the air......where I then sing "wake up little rose bud". Not only are they scared but embarassed. I have quieted the whole class and snuck up on a student and patted him lightly and woke him up......the whole class laughs at him....peer pressure...use it...it is good tool.
Funny thing is I have to beat them away from my desk. I always have students around my desk. I cleaned up on teachers day and this year some of the mothers sent me presents at christmas. I have a few students that bring me little treats all the time.
These are teenage boys....I am pretty mild compared to some of the teachers. I have learned that the thing they understand is force. Sad but true. The first year I was there I was aghast.....there were some brutal (well what I thought was brutal) actions taken by some teachers. I asked one of my better students didn't that make him angry, he said no...that just means the teachers loves them enough to hit them.
While I can't bring myself to hit them very often I can sure make their lives hell. One class was so bad I walked out and told the home room teacher I would be having class after school. The boys were terrified because they had to go home afterwards and explain to their mothers why they were late for Hogwan or Academy. Never had a problem with the class again. I may be mean but a pissed off Korean mother is ten times worse.
My worst threat is to send them to the gym teacher. He is the school enforcer. He cuts hair....fingernails and metes out some pretty rough justice. I have seen if first hand and it ain't pretty.
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bibimbap
Joined: 14 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 5:11 am Post subject: |
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hitting the child will demonstrate nothing except that you agree that problems are best resolved by hitting.
i have a girl - wonderful hard-working, but slower than the others - who hit another one of my students. zero-tolerance. out of the class to the principal. no threats. no stickers taken away. out of the class.
if a child hit me, the same would go. get out of the class. zero-tolerance. there is no quicker way to learn - and, believe me, the other children get the message.
there are no other jobs where being hit by customers is acceptable. this is no different to my mind. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| Also about putting the kid in the hall. I am sure if you tell your director either the kid goes or I go might put things in perspective. DONT BE A PUSS either. Go home for the day. If your director fires you I'd be surprised. |
I wouldn't. jaderedux posted about her experiences with a middle school, and what I find amazing is how much different her experiences are with my own. Hell, I tried once to make my students write "I will do my English homework on time" 50 times once, and I was told that my punishment was too harsh.
They're not doing their fuckin' schoolwork, people!
Dysfunctional staff will be dysfunctional, and pull no punches when it comes to placing the blame entirely on you. The Korean English teachers get a slap on the wrist for teaching poorly, and I'm told that I won't be coming back next year. Yet, if I could've done half of the stuff that jade does with her students, they would've been right as rain. |
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throwstuff
Joined: 27 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 6:21 am Post subject: |
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OK, if you don't want to hit the kid, here's what you do: Divide the class into two teams--the same two teams for the entire week. Give them points for everything: points for getting their books out, points for giving right answers, points for winning a game (if you play games), everything. Then, if they're bad, take points away. Talking? -1. Hitting? -5. or something. THen at the end of the week, give the winning team a treat--candy, jellies, dukpogie (spelling?) whatever. It'll cost you 2,000 Won, and your problem is solved. Bring a new treat each week, and watch the kids pressure themselves into being wonderful angels for you.
If you don't want to be negative, use positive reinforcement to get them to do what you want. It works too. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I seriously believe a little corporal punishment now and then sets the kids straight. Don't think I hit the kiddies all the time, when I taught I only hit twice that I can remember, and once was when the kid was so nuts he wouldn't come down to earth until he got a little whack on the legs. The other was a kid who kept playing with his "member" and touching the other kids, I thought it was pretty gross so I slapped his hands. |
I never thought in a million years I would but I do. I teach middle school boys....after my first year ...and they were pretty good cuz I got me one mean bad voice. 8 years of debating helps. I still found that walking softly and carrying a big stick has it's merits.
I think I have used it twice...but if you are sleeping in my class you get pulled up by your hair....wakes em up real fast. You read comic books in my class you get to stand in front of the class holding the comic book in your mouth. I catch you again.....you get to come to the teachers room between classes and do the same thing. You listen to your mp3 player you get to duckwalk around the class room and during your free time at lunch.
I hate the sleeping thing big time. I walk around my class picking up students by the scruff of the neck till they sit up. I have been know to whack a desk of a sleeping student so hard they jump a good 2 feet in the air......where I then sing "wake up little rose bud". Not only are they scared but embarassed. I have quieted the whole class and snuck up on a student and patted him lightly and woke him up......the whole class laughs at him....peer pressure...use it...it is good tool.
Funny thing is I have to beat them away from my desk. I always have students around my desk. I cleaned up on teachers day and this year some of the mothers sent me presents at christmas. I have a few students that bring me little treats all the time.
These are teenage boys....I am pretty mild compared to some of the teachers. I have learned that the thing they understand is force. Sad but true. The first year I was there I was aghast.....there were some brutal (well what I thought was brutal) actions taken by some teachers. I asked one of my better students didn't that make him angry, he said no...that just means the teachers loves them enough to hit them.
While I can't bring myself to hit them very often I can sure make their lives hell. One class was so bad I walked out and told the home room teacher I would be having class after school. The boys were terrified because they had to go home afterwards and explain to their mothers why they were late for Hogwan or Academy. Never had a problem with the class again. I may be mean but a pissed off Korean mother is ten times worse.
My worst threat is to send them to the gym teacher. He is the school enforcer. He cuts hair....fingernails and metes out some pretty rough justice. I have seen if first hand and it ain't pretty.
Jade |
Well I didn't really mention my high school teaching discipline. When I did the hawgwon scene, as I said I rarely hit the kids. I went with the reward/demerit type system for most of my hawgwon experiences. That is sticker if they are good, no sticker or returning a sticker if they are bad. I might have used Candy for special occasions too. After 50 stickers I would give out jelly roll pens. The few bad apples I had, I put out in the hall. My supervisor once said I put kids in the hall too much. I told her she had two options: change my class or put up with it, cause the kids gotta learn some how.
At high school I haven't hit a kid yet. Funny is I could if I wanted to. I use the reward/demerit system in high school. They have marks for attitude. If they sleep or talk in class, I just have to bring out their score sheet and they shut up real fast. The kids aren't stupid enough to play with handphones or mp3 players. Those go into my desk if I catch a student doing it. So if they do what I ask, they get a 100% for attitude. If they mess up, demerits. When you consider how important marks are, man they behave rather fast when the points start going.
I once had a student who was horrible when I first started. A quick word with my supervisor about it, then a quick word to said students homeroom teacher, and well the kid was crying and begging forgiveness by the end of the day.
Oh and I totally know about the gym teacher thing. At the school next to my high school I always see the gym teachers smacking on the students who are late for school. Seems like it is part of their job. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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if you dont hit this child!. he will just move from hakwon to hakwon hitting girls!! and trying to bully the others.. obviously he has bad home education.! he will get some real hits in korean school..
I think if you want him to obey you in your class.. you need to show him who runs the classroom!! you or HIM!!!
and the only way to do that is to not freak out like a girl!! but be a real man.. a scary teacher!!! grab him forcely.. say in korean!!! when I tell you do do something you WILL DO IT!!!!! do you understand me ????
holding on to his arm or shirt really hard and shaking him alittle!!!
or a slap across the side of head with anger in your eyes..
listen mr pink and I are right.. we have been here 8 years,.
some kids need a stiff hand!!!
sorry to say!!!
otherwise you will never resolve this problem..
welcome to korea!!! |
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maxxx_power
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
Location: BWAHAHAHAHA! I'M FREE!!!!!!!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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8 years or not I think y'all who strike children have some serious issues. The kids really haven't learned yet that their behavior is totally wrong, what's your excuse?
I send the kid out of class to sit down in a "baby chair" next to the director. Humiliation works just as well as physical violence and will leave a deeper emotional scar.
Hitting a child is completely barbaric in my opinion and I will never use physical punishments in my classroom. Hopefully it sets an example for the kiddies that violence is not an acceptable way to deal with problems or people. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Hitting a child is completely barbaric in my opinion and I will never use physical punishments in my classroom. Hopefully it sets an example for the kiddies that violence is not an acceptable way to deal with problems or people. |
What age are you teaching maxx?
I would never hit a child under grade 3. The two cases where I hit kids was the kid who was playing with his member and then touching the other kids...that punk was like grade 4/5. The other was a grade 5/6.
I don't take hitting lightly either. I am more of a talk to the student person. However when kids don't understand you, or don't take it seriously because they can't FEEL the meaning, you have to do something else. So I used to put kids outside, put my hand on their shoulder and verbally warn them, or make them stand in a corner.
I think when you first start teaching over here, all those "ideals" of how teaching is back home are in your mind. The longer you are here, you realize those ideals are bullsh*t. You can't always go by the book, so you have something called judgement.
The final test of whether you are cut out for hitting is, would you hit your own children? Up to what point would you hit them? Apply that to other people's children. |
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maxxx_power
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Good point, I teach kindergarten and a strike would probably snap their little necks. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
but be a real man.. a scary teacher!!! grab him forcely.. say in korean!!! when I tell you do do something you WILL DO IT!!!!! do you understand me ????
holding on to his arm or shirt really hard and shaking him alittle!!!
or a slap across the side of head with anger in your eyes.. |
Uh, that got one of the teachers at my school hit with a fine. And this guy was a gyopo, who was loved by the boss. You had me sold until you got into the shaking business...
What is needed is a commanding voice, a non-violent punishment system, and respect. If you can't get respect without hitting...man...that's weak sauce. |
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