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A Tale of Two States: Texas vs. California
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mises



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if it is true that 70% of all jobs created in America 2008 were in Texas then a relative paradise might not be inaccurate.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
Well, if it is true that 70% of all jobs created in America 2008 were in Texas then a relative paradise might not be inaccurate.


For the short-term. We'll see what happens with the primary-level education system. Most of that is local and state in the U.S. I predict rising indicators of inequality in just 5-10 years out if they don't reinvest.
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mises



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the ethnic demographics of the state, inequality is certain to rise. I don't know anything about school funding.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
Kuros wrote:

Take a look at education and race relations in Texas, however.


I don't know anything about race relations in Texas, though the la raza nonsense seems to be largely a California thing, no?

About education, again, I don't know. Texas has a wealth of good unis at least. A&M, Southern Methodist, Rice and the UT system are noting to scoff at.


SMU and A&M? Those are about as average as you can get. And at least 3 UCs are better than any UT school.

Texas has a long way to go before it becomes one of the top 10 economies in the world. And while it has a tech sector in Austin, it still doesn't come close to Silicon Valley.

But yes, CA's state gov't is a mess and needs serious reform.
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mises



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I wasn't comparing unis. Of course UCLA or Berkley (and many others) are excellent schools.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't like Texas, don't like California.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't like two of the greatest states in the Union huh? I doubt you've spent much time in either one.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:


Texas has a long way to go before it becomes one of the top 10 economies in the world. And while it has a tech sector in Austin, it still doesn't come close to Silicon Valley.

But yes, CA's state gov't is a mess and needs serious reform.


Silicon Valley is just a drop in the bucket compared to the biotech industry in the Houston Medical Center area - that's the world leader of biotech and to some extent, San Antonio is the next leader when it comes to agricultural biotech.

Both have been doing more longer than SV by a long shot.

furthermore, A&M, CSU (Colo State Univ) and Tufts (in Boston) all have better programs than UC Davis (Calif leading ag school).

Calif and Tx both have excellent educational systems overall but Texas is weak for primary education. I don't know how they rate but do know there's been significant problems the last 2 decades.

Tx is also still playing catchup to the influx of refugees from Katrina and will continue to have expensive debt issues related to floods and of course, Galveston, which swept away a huge enconomic growth area, tourism; along with the Texas Burn Insittute which had to be relocated.

What's interesting is both states have the death penalty and many opponents cite data that shows how much more expensive it is to kill someone than to inprison them for life. wonder if the economy will change politics on the DP?

both states are rapidly becoming minority-led however and will be the face of the U.S. in the future as more educated people of color step up. it's going to be interesting, that's for sure.
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mises



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
Don't like two of the greatest states in the Union huh? I doubt you've spent much time in either one.


Taking it down to which states (or provinces, for Canuckistan and I) you "like" or not is silly. The OP is about public policy and which states will lead the union going forward.

There is a good parallel to Canada, comparing Alberta to Ontario. Ont. is still the center of the Canadian universe, but the provincial government is trying her hardest to change that.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
bucheon bum wrote:


Texas has a long way to go before it becomes one of the top 10 economies in the world. And while it has a tech sector in Austin, it still doesn't come close to Silicon Valley.

But yes, CA's state gov't is a mess and needs serious reform.


Silicon Valley is just a drop in the bucket compared to the biotech industry in the Houston Medical Center area - that's the world leader of biotech and to some extent, San Antonio is the next leader when it comes to agricultural biotech.

Both have been doing more longer than SV by a long shot.

furthermore, A&M, CSU (Colo State Univ) and Tufts (in Boston) all have better programs than UC Davis (Calif leading ag school).

Calif and Tx both have excellent educational systems overall but Texas is weak for primary education. I don't know how they rate but do know there's been significant problems the last 2 decades.

Tx is also still playing catchup to the influx of refugees from Katrina and will continue to have expensive debt issues related to floods and of course, Galveston, which swept away a huge enconomic growth area, tourism; along with the Texas Burn Insittute which had to be relocated.

What's interesting is both states have the death penalty and many opponents cite data that shows how much more expensive it is to kill someone than