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mises
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| Well, if it is true that 70% of all jobs created in America 2008 were in Texas then a relative paradise might not be inaccurate. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Well, if it is true that 70% of all jobs created in America 2008 were in Texas then a relative paradise might not be inaccurate. |
For the short-term. We'll see what happens with the primary-level education system. Most of that is local and state in the U.S. I predict rising indicators of inequality in just 5-10 years out if they don't reinvest. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Given the ethnic demographics of the state, inequality is certain to rise. I don't know anything about school funding. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:49 am Post subject: |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:53 am Post subject: |
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Take a look at education and race relations in Texas, however. |
I don't know anything about race relations in Texas, though the la raza nonsense seems to be largely a California thing, no?
About education, again, I don't know. Texas has a wealth of good unis at least. A&M, Southern Methodist, Rice and the UT system are noting to scoff at. |
SMU and A&M? Those are about as average as you can get. And at least 3 UCs are better than any UT school.
Texas has a long way to go before it becomes one of the top 10 economies in the world. And while it has a tech sector in Austin, it still doesn't come close to Silicon Valley.
But yes, CA's state gov't is a mess and needs serious reform. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I wasn't comparing unis. Of course UCLA or Berkley (and many others) are excellent schools. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| Don't like Texas, don't like California. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| Don't like two of the greatest states in the Union huh? I doubt you've spent much time in either one. |
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moosehead
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Texas has a long way to go before it becomes one of the top 10 economies in the world. And while it has a tech sector in Austin, it still doesn't come close to Silicon Valley.
But yes, CA's state gov't is a mess and needs serious reform. |
Silicon Valley is just a drop in the bucket compared to the biotech industry in the Houston Medical Center area - that's the world leader of biotech and to some extent, San Antonio is the next leader when it comes to agricultural biotech.
Both have been doing more longer than SV by a long shot.
furthermore, A&M, CSU (Colo State Univ) and Tufts (in Boston) all have better programs than UC Davis (Calif leading ag school).
Calif and Tx both have excellent educational systems overall but Texas is weak for primary education. I don't know how they rate but do know there's been significant problems the last 2 decades.
Tx is also still playing catchup to the influx of refugees from Katrina and will continue to have expensive debt issues related to floods and of course, Galveston, which swept away a huge enconomic growth area, tourism; along with the Texas Burn Insittute which had to be relocated.
What's interesting is both states have the death penalty and many opponents cite data that shows how much more expensive it is to kill someone than to inprison them for life. wonder if the economy will change politics on the DP?
both states are rapidly becoming minority-led however and will be the face of the U.S. in the future as more educated people of color step up. it's going to be interesting, that's for sure. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| Don't like two of the greatest states in the Union huh? I doubt you've spent much time in either one. |
Taking it down to which states (or provinces, for Canuckistan and I) you "like" or not is silly. The OP is about public policy and which states will lead the union going forward.
There is a good parallel to Canada, comparing Alberta to Ontario. Ont. is still the center of the Canadian universe, but the provincial government is trying her hardest to change that. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Texas has a long way to go before it becomes one of the top 10 economies in the world. And while it has a tech sector in Austin, it still doesn't come close to Silicon Valley.
But yes, CA's state gov't is a mess and needs serious reform. |
Silicon Valley is just a drop in the bucket compared to the biotech industry in the Houston Medical Center area - that's the world leader of biotech and to some extent, San Antonio is the next leader when it comes to agricultural biotech.
Both have been doing more longer than SV by a long shot.
furthermore, A&M, CSU (Colo State Univ) and Tufts (in Boston) all have better programs than UC Davis (Calif leading ag school).
Calif and Tx both have excellent educational systems overall but Texas is weak for primary education. I don't know how they rate but do know there's been significant problems the last 2 decades.
Tx is also still playing catchup to the influx of refugees from Katrina and will continue to have expensive debt issues related to floods and of course, Galveston, which swept away a huge enconomic growth area, tourism; along with the Texas Burn Insittute which had to be relocated.
What's interesting is both states have the death penalty and many opponents cite data that shows how much more expensive it is to kill someone than to inprison them for life. wonder if the economy will change politics on the DP?
both states are rapidly becoming minority-led however and will be the face of the U.S. in the future as more educated people of color step up. it's going to be interesting, that's for sure. |
1. WTF? Houston is a biotech leader? Ha ha ha.. I worked for a biotech lobby firm in dc (website. The primary centers were SF, Boston, SD, the research triangle in NC, and maybe Seattle.
Brookings report
Silicon valley isn't heavily involved in biotech anyway.
2. What do Tufts and CSU have to do with anything? I certainly wasn't hyping ag programs. That being said, CA's ag sector dwarfs all the other states. On the other hand, we stupidly support rice and alfalfa growing, which is a massive waste of resources.
3. CA sucks in primary education too. It might even rank lower than TX. I know it is in the bottom 5, woo hoo!
4. Yes, they both have the death penalty but CA rarely executes people. Plus the majority of states have the DP, so not really sure what your point is.
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| Taking it down to which states (or provinces, for Canuckistan and I) you "like" or not is silly. The OP is about public policy and which states will lead the union going forward. |
ha, I know. Just can't believe anyone wouldn't like those two states. 
Another interesting contrast between the two states is TX had a lot of influence in the Bush administration, while CA has one with the Obama administration. If Obama manages to turn things around, CA might improve its image a little. |
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mises
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Ya-ta Boy
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California is operating under the liability of Proposition 13 (1978). It's complicated, but the short answer is that it distorts the tax base and affects the whole economy.
"Proposition 13 freezes the value of properties at the time of purchase with a possible two percent annual assessment increase. Therefore, properties of equal value have a great amount of variation in their assessment, even if they are next to each other.[3] Assuming that the price of a house is somewhat a determinant of a person�s wealth (and therefore ability to pay) and benefit received, this feature would lead neighbors or business owners who purchased a property at different periods of time to pay a different assessment, without any relationship to ability to pay[clarification needed] or benefits received.[3] Overall, these qualities create serious inequities and potentially introduce some amount of regressivity into the tax structure. The state sales tax was increased as a result of Prop 13.[citation needed] The imbalance between state spending and state tax revenues had contributed to near constant budget crisis that has pushed the state to near bankruptcy and deadlocked the political system." (wiki) |
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canuckistan
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Don't like two of the greatest states in the Union huh? I doubt you've spent much time in either one. |
Very wrongo.
I especially dislike SoCal. Is it still running on blow, pharmaceuticals, and credit cards?
Between the two they've also got all the natural pestilences and plagues one would want to avoid when choosing a place to live, or have to insure against.
Their natives keep showing up in Colorado.
And they don't know how to drive when it snows either. |
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wesharris
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe robust spending in education and reasonable socialized services in healthcare are necessary to maintain a climate of opportunity. That's why I'm an opponent of excessive regulatory regimes: the direct taxes are sometimes necessary but regulations are almost always a wasted expense. |
No it's not. Socialized services kills the local economy, keep taxes low, encourage privatized education, enforce equal opportunity at every turn, provide only basic REQUIRED services (This doesn't include education, it DOES include utilities, roads, defense, police, and postal), promote saving and smart spending, and enforce the ideal that you are responsible for yourself and your own.
THIS will provide a much more stable long term solution, because it fosters competence and confidence. Inspires self reliance and requires responsibility. All of these things your model is the antithesis to.
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No, no, no. If you don't have a good education, you can't make it in modern America. Period. I can see a world in which 18-year-olds have to fend for themselves for higher education, but I can't envision minors being so self-reliant as to pay for their own education. It just doesn't work that way. |
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| Again no, privately educated individuals are typically far better ahead than those that were / are publicly educated., And quite simply, if those taxes were funneled directly into our own pocket books, the education of the children would again be the responsibility of the family, which is and of itself a better idea than public schools. |
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