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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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Good point Ilsanman. They are not all guilty. The American (and Canadian) press will dig up a photo anyway (especially an unflattering one...Nick Nolte, Yasmin Bleeth, Glen Campbel). The Korean press seem more restrained in this regard.
The other problem I have with the press back home is that they splash the arrest of someone across the front page, but much later (sometimes years later in Canada) the news of the acquittal is printed in the bottom corner of page 28. I think they should be required to devote an equal amount of column inches to the result of the trial as they did to the arrest...and it should be on the same number page (or lower) as the story of the arrest. I know it is impossible to measure, but it doesn't seem fair to splash "John Doe Arrested For Child Molestation" on the front page...then a year later, in the back of the paper "John Doe was acquitted today". Just a pet peeve of mine... |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Gwangjuboy,
'Typically' does not mean 'always'. I am aware of the difference. I also concede that the Korean press does not always hide the full name. I did so in my post. I can also show you an example of where the Chosun Ilbo listed foreign accused by only the first letter of their last name. I applaud the fact that they are treating the two groups (Korean and foreign) the same. Other publications do not, and I have provided the links that you asked for to demonstrate that. I actually had more, but got tired while posting. I think that I have provided enough examples to show that the Korean press (and perhaps the police/prosecutors because theyare the ones who release the info to the press) does often do their best to hide the identity of the accused, if they are Korean. I admit now, that that is something I didn't think about before. Maybe the press only print what they are told, and it is the police and/or prosecutors office that determines what we get to read.
Getting back to the original post, does anyone know if the press is prohibited from publishing such information (it doesn't seem so), or if they practice a form of self-censorship? I also agree with the OP that full disclosure might prevent (some) crimes in the future (though this, I guess has never been proven). I know that years ago in Canada the police wanted to print the names of johns that had been busted for soliciting prostitutes in an effort to combat prostitution. It was a great idea...except that the newspapers said that they would refuse to print the names.
Finally, I think what we have learned is that Gwangjuboy is not man enough to stand up, say he made a mistake, and apologize to the OP for suggesting that he was stupid. That was the thrust of my first post. But this is nothing new for Gwangjuboy. |
Typically means "nearly always." I too, am aware of the difference. I suggested that this was an exageration. I only needed 3 minutes of my time to find examples where Korean suspects have been named (in full) in the press.
Next, I never called the OP stupid. I said his post was stupid. I made a mistake I my interpretation of it. I said so in my last post to you. But, I still think it is a stupid post having read it again. Class dismissed. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking of class...
People like you are the reason that the rest of us value class as such a decent personal quality.
Have a nice day. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
Speaking of class...
People like you are the reason that the rest of us value class as such a decent personal quality.
Have a nice day. |
I haven't done anything which indicates a lack of class. I admitted I made a mistake. I called you on your mistake. You failed to concede you were wrong. Now, lets talk about class shall we? |
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Medic
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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At least the OP prompted some discussion about a topic with a lot of ramifications, so it couldn't have been all that stupid.
The Koreans are debating wether to publish more information about their sex offenders. A list is published every 6 months I think, and the offenders who are promenent politicians or buisnessmen always manage to get their names removed from the list irregardless of the severity of their offense. Kind of stinks. Power and money can buy anything in Korea it seems.
I also find it kind of strange that they would debate why a Korean paedophile should or should not have his details made public. I think they are actually leaning to-wards not publishing more information about these low life predators. That's something about Korean culture that's right off the deep end in my book. |
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tsgarp
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| How do you know people with influence are getting removed from the list? I heard of a couple of people suing based on the constitutionality of the list but I haven't heard of anyone getting taken off by bribing, threatening, or otherwise using their position of influence. Do you have proof this is happening? |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Why should someone accused, yet not convicted, be forced to be on television? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Why should someone accused, yet not convicted, be forced to be on television? |
Furthermore, newspapers do not have an inalienable right to get a full facial shot of a person. If they are able to get the guy's mug on the front page, all the more power to them. But, the guy still has the right to try to prevent that from happening. |
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Medic
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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I've also wondered why people accused of something, but not proven guilty should have to appear on television. Seems as though every Tom, Dick or Harry no matter what the crime has his or hidden profile on TV. Maybe the TV channels could spare us the unnecessary details, and just describe the offense. Would give more time to more interesting programes
Tsgarp. I heard the hazy details about the guys having their names taken off the list from some of the secretaries who work with the legal profession. People in Korea don't have much faith in the legal system. Especially since several prosecutors not so long ago were charged with corruption, and removed from their positions. I also read that those who had their names removed from the list did so on the basis that it violated their human (constitutional) rights. I'm wondering though why couldn't all of the other offenders have had their names removed for the same reason. An article in the Koren Herald just after the first list was published actually had the nerve to say that all the other offenders whose names were published did not want to contest the issue. Talk about crap. |
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HardyandTiny
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:28 am Post subject: |
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why are cameras allowed in to the police station to the point where they can videotape people at the questioning desk?
I would also hide my face in that situation. |
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