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Koreans hiding their faces when they are arrested.
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diver



Joined: 16 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point Ilsanman. They are not all guilty. The American (and Canadian) press will dig up a photo anyway (especially an unflattering one...Nick Nolte, Yasmin Bleeth, Glen Campbel). The Korean press seem more restrained in this regard.

The other problem I have with the press back home is that they splash the arrest of someone across the front page, but much later (sometimes years later in Canada) the news of the acquittal is printed in the bottom corner of page 28. I think they should be required to devote an equal amount of column inches to the result of the trial as they did to the arrest...and it should be on the same number page (or lower) as the story of the arrest. I know it is impossible to measure, but it doesn't seem fair to splash "John Doe Arrested For Child Molestation" on the front page...then a year later, in the back of the paper "John Doe was acquitted today". Just a pet peeve of mine...
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diver wrote:
Gwangjuboy,

'Typically' does not mean 'always'. I am aware of the difference. I also concede that the Korean press does not always hide the full name. I did so in my post. I can also show you an example of where the Chosun Ilbo listed foreign accused by only the first letter of their last name. I applaud the fact that they are treating the two groups (Korean and foreign) the same. Other publications do not, and I have provided the links that you asked for to demonstrate that. I actually had more, but got tired while posting. I think that I have provided enough examples to show that the Korean press (and perhaps the police/prosecutors because theyare the ones who release the info to the press) does often do their best to hide the identity of the accused, if they are Korean. I admit now, that that is something I didn't think about before. Maybe the press only print what they are told, and it is the police and/or prosecutors office that determines what we get to read.

Getting back to the original post, does anyone know if the press is prohibited from publishing such information (it doesn't seem so), or if they practice a form of self-censorship? I also agree with the OP that full disclosure might prevent (some) crimes in the future (though this, I guess has never been proven). I know that years ago in Canada the police wanted to print the names of johns that had been busted for soliciting prostitutes in an effort to combat prostitution. It was a great idea...except that the newspapers said that they would refuse to print the names.

Finally, I think what we have learned is that Gwangjuboy is not man enough to stand up, say he made a mistake, and apologize to the OP for suggesting that he was stupid. That was the thrust of my first post. But this is nothing new for Gwangjuboy.


Typically means "nearly always." I too, am aware of the difference. I suggested that this was an exageration. I only needed 3 minutes of my time to find examples where Korean suspects have been named (in full) in the press.

Next, I never called the OP stupid. I said his post was stupid. I made a mistake I my interpretation of it. I said so in my last post to you. But, I still think it is a stupid post having read it again. Class dismissed.
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diver



Joined: 16 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of class...

People like you are the reason that the rest of us value class as such a decent personal quality.

Have a nice day.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diver wrote:
Speaking of class...

People like you are the reason that the rest of us value class as such a decent personal quality.

Have a nice day.


I haven't done anything which indicates a lack of class. I admitted I made a mistake. I called you on your mistake. You failed to concede you were wrong. Now, lets talk about class shall we?
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Medic



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least the OP prompted some discussion about a topic with a lot of ramifications, so it couldn't have been all that stupid.

The Koreans are debating wether to publish more information about their sex offenders. A list is published every 6 months I think, and the offenders who are promenent politicians or buisnessmen always manage to get their names removed from the list irregardless of the severity of their offense. Kind of stinks. Power and money can buy anything in Korea it seems.

I also find it kind of strange that they would debate why a Korean paedophile should or should not have his details made public. I think they are actually leaning to-wards not publishing more information about these low life predators. That's something about Korean culture that's right off the deep end in my book.
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tsgarp



Joined: 01 Dec 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you know people with influence are getting removed from the list? I heard of a couple of people suing based on the constitutionality of the list but I haven't heard of anyone getting taken off by bribing, threatening, or otherwise using their position of influence. Do you have proof this is happening?
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why should someone accused, yet not convicted, be forced to be on television?
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Why should someone accused, yet not convicted, be forced to be on television?


Furthermore, newspapers do not have an inalienable right to get a full facial shot of a person. If they are able to get the guy's mug on the front page, all the more power to them. But, the guy still has the right to try to prevent that from happening.
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Medic



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've also wondered why people accused of something, but not proven guilty should have to appear on television. Seems as though every Tom, Dick or Harry no matter what the crime has his or hidden profile on TV. Maybe the TV channels could spare us the unnecessary details, and just describe the offense. Would give more time to more interesting programes

Tsgarp. I heard the hazy details about the guys having their names taken off the list from some of the secretaries who work with the legal profession. People in Korea don't have much faith in the legal system. Especially since several prosecutors not so long ago were charged with corruption, and removed from their positions. I also read that those who had their names removed from the list did so on the basis that it violated their human (constitutional) rights. I'm wondering though why couldn't all of the other offenders have had their names removed for the same reason. An article in the Koren Herald just after the first list was published actually had the nerve to say that all the other offenders whose names were published did not want to contest the issue. Talk about crap.
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HardyandTiny



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why are cameras allowed in to the police station to the point where they can videotape people at the questioning desk?
I would also hide my face in that situation.
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Len8



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point made in an earlier post about publishing more details about child offenders wouldn't hold in Korea. It took a long time before they would do anything about this sort of thing in the U.S., so it's going to take a lot longer in Korea.

In the U.S. missing children or children abused never recieved the police support that they should have. More attention was given to a stolen car than to an abused or missing child. A car ment money so a stolen car recieved more attention, than a case involving a child. Most children's cases used to get shoved on miscellaneous stacks, and forgotten.

I seem to remember that things only improved, and that more action is now being taken , because of the crusading of one couple for their lost child. I can't remember their name, but they showed the ineptitude of most local police, and the overall lack of concern by the government, and the FBI. They even managed to have a centralized organization in Washington established with government funding for lost and abused children.

It might take something like this to happen in Korea, before adequate protection (such as more details of the offenders being made public) is really given to young children.

I have just completed an English camp where I taught elementry students. I had to teach a class for one hour every day wherein the students had to read something and then answer questions on what they read. One of the questions was about bad habits, and they had to think of different bad habits that people might have. Most mentioned smoking, others mentioned drugs, but the shocker to me was there mentioning in Korean the name for child molesters. I asked them if they had to take extra care because of these types of people, and they said yes, and that they had to go the police if they were ever confronted by such a person. In my elementry school days these kinds of people were never mentioned. They were non people. Nowdays because there is this kind of problem children are learning about them at a much younger age. Goodbye to innocence.


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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, gotta point it out..... "irregardless" is not a word.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Sorry, gotta point it out..... "irregardless" is not a word.


Merriam Webster wrote:
Main Entry: ir�re�gard�less
Pronunciation: "ir-i-'g�rd-l&s
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
nonstandard : REGARDLESS
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead
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Dan



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Sunny Glendale, CA

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In terms of Asia, I think the public WANTS to see criminals cover their faces. It relays that they are ashamed of what they did, and thus everything is right in the world.

This is of course completely ridiculous and naive. But this usually only deals with petty criminals. The really big ones that used millions of dollars to build their kids houses or whatever or scammed a bank out of all their money never hide their face.

Corruption is just so insane in Korea, but I always think of it as growing pains of a relatively young social structure.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't believe this stupid topic is still occupying a place on page 1.
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