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Forward Observer
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Location: FOB Gloria
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 Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject: Netherlands runs out of criminals, has to shut prisons |
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Netherlands runs out of criminals, has to shut prisons
Posted by Cory Doctorow, May 27, 2009 10:13 PM
The Netherlands (where most <s>most drugs are</s> cannabis is legal) has so few criminals that it is now faced with the choice of shutting down its prisons and laying off the staff, or importing criminals from other countries like Belgium on a contract basis:
During the 1990s the Netherlands faced a shortage of prison cells, but a decline in crime has since led to overcapacity in the prison system. The country now has capacity for 14,000 prisoners but only 12,000 detainees.
Deputy justice minister Nebahat Albayrak announced on Tuesday that eight prisons will be closed, resulting in the loss of 1,200 jobs. Natural redundancy and other measures should prevent any forced lay-offs, the minister said.
(via Futurismic) http://futurismic.com/ |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| as it should be |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| A country that has to close prisons because they don't have enough criminals?! What an ideal situation! It's like a Gotham that no longer needs Batman... |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Robotting Around the World
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I always thought Holland had an ideal country system and culture. It's liberal and easy going from a perspective of not being too judgemental in negative light of being human with a police force actually there to help the public; not condem them as criminals. You have to be a killer, rapist, arsonist, or terrorist to get in serious trouble in Holland, while in America, you only have to be at the wrong place at the wrong time to go down despite you being a good person who did nothing wrong other than smoke a few joints. Holland sets a fine example. Thumbs up. I'd love to live there for a while. Germany is really cool too. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds like they need a war on drugs. |
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harlowethrombey
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Can we send the gitmo people there?
Or, they should just turn the prisons into giant, dirt cheap hostels  |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Robot_Teacher wrote: |
| I always thought Holland had an ideal country system and culture. It's liberal and easy going from a perspective of not being too judgemental in negative light of being human with a police force actually there to help the public; not condem them as criminals. You have to be a killer, rapist, arsonist, or terrorist to get in serious trouble in Holland, while in America, you only have to be at the wrong place at the wrong time to go down despite you being a good person who did nothing wrong other than smoke a few joints. Holland sets a fine example. Thumbs up. I'd love to live there for a while. Germany is really cool too. |
The problem in the U.S., are the cops who usually do not show restraint or common sense. They are sanctimonious and self righteous�no�.I have no axe to grind�...just look at the amount of people arrested and sent to prison only to be cleared years later! I think the U.S. has one of the highest incarcerated rates in the world. And to go a step further�the senators/congress folks are at fault for allowing it to happen.
Toking on weed is not as bad as alcohol as the world knows�yet�.cops will go asinine over it! |
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Forward Observer
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Location: FOB Gloria
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| Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| Robot_Teacher wrote: |
| I always thought Holland had an ideal country system and culture. It's liberal and easy going from a perspective of not being too judgemental in negative light of being human with a police force actually there to help the public; not condem them as criminals. You have to be a killer, rapist, arsonist, or terrorist to get in serious trouble in Holland, while in America, you only have to be at the wrong place at the wrong time to go down despite you being a good person who did nothing wrong other than smoke a few joints. Holland sets a fine example. Thumbs up. I'd love to live there for a while. Germany is really cool too. |
The problem in the U.S., are the cops who usually do not show restraint or common sense. They are sanctimonious and self righteous�no�.I have no axe to grind�...just look at the amount of people arrested and sent to prison only to be cleared years later! I think the U.S. has one of the highest incarcerated rates in the world. And to go a step further�the senators/congress folks are at fault for allowing it to happen.
Toking on weed is not as bad as alcohol as the world knows�yet�.cops will go asinine over it! |
Betcha if some of these dave's posters got high they wouldn't fight so much eh? |
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Gatsby
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| Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Yes, Holland does sound like a good place to live, but so does this place:
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EARTH�S TWIN FOUND
Posted on Monday, May 18th, 2009
By Erik Van Datiken
HOUSTON, TX � Amazed scientists have discovered two new planets 1,300 light-years away, and one of them is the exact twin of Earth in every detail.
What�s more, experts believe it may be inhabited � by precise duplicates of every human being now living here on our own planet!
The discovery is thanks to the recent service mission to fix the Hubble space telescope. Noted astronomer Alexander Wolszczan of Pennsylvania State University stunned the world earlier this year with news that he had found two planets about 6 trillion miles from here � the first planets ever known to exist outside our solar system.
At that time, he thought they were both much larger than Earth.
Since then, shocking new photos taken by the Hubble have been leaked to the press by an unnamed NASA source.
The top-secret pictures reveal that the smaller of the two newfound planets is so amazingly like ours that, when it�s shown side by side with pictures of Earth, even the most knowledgeable astronomer can�t tell them apart. |
http://weeklyworldnews.com/alien-alert/8326/earths-twin-found/
Then again, this could be where all of Holland's criminals are going.
Hmmm, this could be the solution to the Guantanamanamo problem. |
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Pluto
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Sounds like they need a war on drugs. |
I really hope the pols in Washington and Sacramento are following this story. There is something to be learned. |
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eamo
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| Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Love Holland. Spent about 5 months there. Working in tulip bulb packing factories.
They really got a good thing going there. Modern, green, liberal, aesthetic............do you know The Netherlands has virtually the same population density as Korea? You wouldn't know to look at the two places...... |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
The problem in the U.S., are the cops who usually do not show restraint or common sense. They are sanctimonious and self righteous�no�.I have no axe to grind�...just look at the amount of people arrested and sent to prison only to be cleared years later! I think the U.S. has one of the highest incarcerated rates in the world. And to go a step further�the senators/congress folks are at fault for allowing it to happen.
Toking on weed is not as bad as alcohol as the world knows�yet�.cops will go asinine over it! |
The U.S. has THE highest incarceration rate in the world (with the possible exception of Cuba which does not release figures) and incarcerates blacks at a rate higher than that of apartheid South Africa.
But you can't blame cops for doing their job, which is to enforce the law. Put blame where it belongs, on the legislators making the laws the cops enforce or who are too cowardly to propose or vote for rational things like drug decriminilization. (Oh, I now see you did. Good.) |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
The problem in the U.S., are the cops who usually do not show restraint or common sense. They are sanctimonious and self righteous�no�.I have no axe to grind�...just look at the amount of people arrested and sent to prison only to be cleared years later! I think the U.S. has one of the highest incarcerated rates in the world. And to go a step further�the senators/congress folks are at fault for allowing it to happen.
Toking on weed is not as bad as alcohol as the world knows�yet�.cops will go asinine over it! |
The U.S. has THE highest incarceration rate in the world (with the possible exception of Cuba which does not release figures) and incarcerates blacks at a rate higher than that of apartheid South Africa.
But you can't blame cops for doing their job, which is to enforce the law. Put blame where it belongs, on the legislators making the laws the cops enforce or who are too cowardly to propose or vote for rational things like drug decriminilization. (Oh, I now see you did. Good.) |
The Netherlands has a more educated populace than the U.S. The disparities in the country are not as noticeable, also the teachers in the Netherlands do not give their students as much homework, the parents and teachers focus a lot on nurturing the students and the divorce rate is lower in the country. Also, they are not as focused on law enforcement.
As far as the U.S. does incarcerate black people at a higher rate than apartheid South Africa did, but the US does not have apartheid, and cops have to arrest people, black, white, or Asian if they commit crimes, and part of the reason there are so many black criminals is due to cultural factors not necessarily attributable to white racism, but an aversion to intellectualism amongst many in the said community, and not simply the laws of the land. I think even if you decriminalized drugs, you would still have a high incarceration rate for African Americans, just not as high.
It is not simply laws and legislation, it's the Dutch cultural approach, whatever that may be, versus the American one which is hard-corse on so many issues and also buries its head in the sand, out of fear, when it comes to race relations. |
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Robot_Teacher
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I 2nd that. It's more about the cultural approach than it is laws. In the US, we've long been so hung up on enacting laws to protect or demonize this and that, but it all boils down to what people really think; not what the laws state. This is where the US got it all so wrong on creating and administering a country system with a functional culture and country system that works in the best interests of the people. When I went to Europe in my young days, I was shocked by how much a good example culturally it sets, but yet, the US ignores or doesn't know about. Then I realized it's mostly more affluent Americans who get to travel and go to Europe so they should know how to administer a country better than they do due to their education and global experience. Besides affluent people lapping up luxury, it's military and poor scholars who travel to learn. That's when I realized we've been duped by our leadership for quite some time.
They sure could had done much better directing how America is built, socially developed, and maintained with what knowledge and resources they had and still have. Thumbs up to Holland for getting it mostly right even though Holland has an illegal immigrant problem causing crime due to them being stuck in Holland on account of lacking documents nor social services. You can get in without documents and money, but you can't get out. This is true for the many illegal African immigrants stuck in limbo robbing and even attacking tourists out of desperation. This is Hollands failure in it's country system. For years, I've felt they could easily fix this issue by arresting them and deporting them, but Holland is just too liberal to be that harsh like many other countries so they just, "live and let live." |
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