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Why some of them hate English teachers
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:05 pm    Post subject: Why some of them hate English teachers Reply with quote

Jealousy.

Here:

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/06/123_46598.html

.... although I agree with comments that the debt load they are mentioning isn't that high. The problem is the clash within Korean society which dictates you should have XXXXXX million won before you even consider marrying. Even if that's 10 years down the road for these guys, they still need a job to afford the lifestyle their friends are enjoying.

Also, housing costs are insane. Imagine the giant mountain in front of the average Korean young person if they don't have parents rich enough to help them purchase a new home for marriage (or even part of it) because they are also in debt? At the same time, they know they will have to provide for said parents down the road.

This seems to breed a lot of jealousy, hatred, and resentment of English teachers -- especially when the news media feeds these kids with story after negative story about us. We're depicted as rich playboys who only work here because we speak English (something they have to work very hard at to learn).

I don't encounter the negative anti-western Koreans much. Most of what I see comes from the media and netizens. It's out there, though, and it's all about jealousy.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if anyone thinks I'm a "rich playboy" by any means, but I have met quite a few angry Koreans.

From what I've been able to gather, they seem most upset at HAVING TO learn English while many so called teachers show no interest in learning Korean.

I've found that showing them that I am trying to learn their language does help me get past a lot of negativity.


I don't pretend that it will solve all problems, but it does help.

All those fierce stares from adjossis seem to melt with a slight nod from me and an "anyong ha shim ni kka".
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the real world Korea. You study - and you pay. I wish my daughter had only a $4,800 debt. That's laughable. I'm sure there are other 'playboy' teachers on here who agree with me.

Heck. I started working part-time at 14 - and full-time at 15. I paid for my college education later (as an adult). Not an unusual story in a western country where parents do not fund their kids higher education.

And, perhaps if Korean students stopped playing around in their English classes - they could go abroad to get employment. My daughter moves to another country every uni. vacation to get work (to pay for her studies).

And young people face insurmountable debt to become home owners in every country I've lived and worked in - what's new about this?
Young couples have to work - save - then buy.

Just a bunch of spoilt cry-babies.
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polonius



Joined: 05 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heavy debt, HAHAHA

This from Canada
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Preliminary data from the 2007-08 NPSAS suggests that the average amount of debt among undergraduate seniors at 4-year institutions has increased to about $22,500.


Are some Koreans jealous about the average ESL teacher earning 2.2~2.4 mil per month? Perhaps, but I don't think it is that high of a percentage.

The Korean Media is the source for many evils in this country, i.e. anywhere from: all foreigners are drug users. (Just went through this battle myself) to reporting fan death victims. And sadly, many Koreans buy into it.

If you are to say that the average Korean dislikes foreigners, I would stipulate that the main reason for the dislike is that we are different, not that they are jealous. People don't like what they don't know.
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seriously don't know why they put up with those overpriced tacky Wedding hall deals.
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ekul



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For such a small amount of loan you could work a part time job while job seeking and pay most of it off. I worked for 3 months with 50-60hour weeks in minimum wage jobs trying to get enough money to set up in Japan after graduating. Luckily I found out about Korea Rolling Eyes
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah there is def. hardcore jealousy here. For starters the average English teacher's pay is above their Korean colleagues at a Public School. Throw in the free rent and 'Welcome to Korea' shopping spree that comes along with it and then you see the super jealousy. Now add the (authentic) Tommy Hilfiger or Calvin Klein T-shirt that to you is nothing, but to them is W70,000 and you get more jealousy. Add in the drunken sailor lifestyle and spending habits, and you get more envy. Plus, many people here aren't certified teachers or have degrees in English/Education- and there is a big source of the poor professional image/reaction we sometimes get. Unfair yes, but understandable.

People aren't perfect, and I don't expect them to be. I am not perfect. Of course many people on this board seem to expect perfection out of Korea and every Korean person.

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And, perhaps if Korean students stopped playing around in their English classes - they could go abroad to get employment. My daughter moves to another country every uni. vacation to get work (to pay for her studies).


Dude that is such silliness. The barriers people face to international employment and travel are so much more complex than that. Plus, not EVERYONE can go to college and travel in this country. The University system in America is totally different than in Korea. You can go college in America with a HS degree and money. You can't do that in Korea. There are a select number of spots. There is no University of Phoenix here.

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Heck. I started working part-time at 14 - and full-time at 15. I paid for my college education later (as an adult). Not an unusual story in a western country where parents do not fund their kids higher education.


Well if you are old, then college didn't cost near the same when you went to school as it does now. What were your tuition bills? Probably not 25,000 a semester. As for 'Western Parents don't Fund their kids education" That's a joke. You are just being prejudiced and narrow-minded. Of course plenty of parents in America pay for their kids' college. Mine did.

As for prejudice, What is happening here is similar to the "They Took Our Jobs" anti-immigration wave in America, and the outrage at corporate outsourcing. Not to mention the growing culture gap between the working class and college graduates in America. And yes, American students are griping about the large amount of debt they face as well.

Welcome to the Real World Everybody.

Maybe it is time to rethink the University System. Personally I think it's garbage, but that's another topic...
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polonius



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Yeah there is def. hardcore jealousy here. For starters the average English teacher's pay is above their Korean colleagues at a Public School. Throw in the free rent and 'Welcome to Korea' shopping spree that comes along with it and then you see the super jealousy. Now add the (authentic) Tommy Hilfiger or Calvin Klein T-shirt that to you is nothing, but to them is W70,000 and you get more jealousy. Add in the drunken sailor lifestyle and spending habits, and you get more envy. Plus, many people here aren't certified teachers or have degrees in English/Education- and there is a big source of the poor professional image/reaction we sometimes get. Unfair yes, but understandable.


Maybe Real Reality will pop in and show you some stats, but from what I read, the Korean teachers earn more at a public school than the Foreign Co-Teacher.

Steelrails wrote:
People aren't perfect, and I don't expect them to be. I am not perfect. Of course many people on this board seem to expect perfection out of Korea and every Korean person.


I used to be conceited, but now I am absolutely perfect. Smile I had this sticker posted on my bedroom door while going through my teens. Mom wasn't too happy with it.

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Heck. I started working part-time at 14 - and full-time at 15. I paid for my college education later (as an adult). Not an unusual story in a western country where parents do not fund their kids higher education.


Steelrails wrote:
Well if you are old, then college didn't cost near the same when you went to school as it does now. What were your tuition bills? Probably not 25,000 a semester. As for 'Western Parents don't Fund their kids education" That's a joke. You are just being prejudiced and narrow-minded. Of course plenty of parents in America pay for their kids' college. Mine did.


I have to agree in some respects here. Tuition has skyrocketed over the years. I am sure as well, that plenty of parents do pay for tuition, but if you look at the average debt that a university student incurs, you will see that it is quite high. That takes into account the students whose parents paid for University.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:

Dude that is such silliness. The barriers people face to international employment and travel are so much more complex than that. Plus, not EVERYONE can go to college and travel in this country. The University system in America is totally different than in Korea. You can go college in America with a HS degree and money. You can't do that in Korea. There are a select number of spot