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Are you an economic refugee?
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teacha



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emeliu wrote:
In California, a teacher would make the equivalent of 3.8 million won a month, but no free apartment. So I think its a bit better than teaching in Korea in terms of wage.



Don't forget that Americans have to pay these pesky little things called income taxes, which can account for up to 25% of your paycheck. Most people working in Korea don't pay any taxes, or if they do it's likely only the 3% Korean tax.
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ReeseDog



Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified

PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AgentM wrote:
Emeliu wrote:
Yeah, thats true. And the benefits for teachers in California are tremendous. Its just part of the lifestyle we chose, I guess.


Yeah, but the costs of living in California are also tremendous. Something to keep in mind.



...and California is paying her state employees with IOUs at the moment. California sparkling.

(Was that a form of blasphemy?)
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ReeseDog



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OnTheOtherSide wrote:
I got offered a job in Seattle recently, but I had to turn it down because the pay would not even cover my bare minimum survival expenses.


Starbucks?
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xingyiman



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have relatives who work in schools back in the midwest. College grads in education can't get employed because Califiornia teachers are fleeing the non-paying state en masse and taking all the available jobs there. California isn't paying anymore.
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Micelf



Joined: 14 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="ReeseDog"][quote="AgentM"]
Emeliu wrote:



...and California is paying her state employees with IOUs at the moment. California sparkling.

(Was that a form of blasphemy?)


Really.

I've seen and heard nothing about this, until now. Sources?
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Emeliu



Joined: 31 Mar 2009
Location: Korea, i'm OMW

PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

teacha wrote:
Emeliu wrote:
In California, a teacher would make the equivalent of 3.8 million won a month, but no free apartment. So I think its a bit better than teaching in Korea in terms of wage.



Don't forget that Americans have to pay these pesky little things called income taxes, which can account for up to 25% of your paycheck. Most people working in Korea don't pay any taxes, or if they do it's likely only the 3% Korean tax.


haha, this is true.

ReeseDog wrote:
AgentM wrote:
Emeliu wrote:
Yeah, thats true. And the benefits for teachers in California are tremendous. Its just part of the lifestyle we chose, I guess.


Yeah, but the costs of living in California are also tremendous. Something to keep in mind.



...and California is paying her state employees with IOUs at the moment. California sparkling.

(Was that a form of blasphemy?)


California Sparkling? more like, California-on-fire. 44 celsius weather, tuition hikes at my university, tripled parking fee, angry teachers, and income/sales tax increases.
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DrugstoreCowgirl



Joined: 08 May 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose I would consider myself an 'economic refugee' since I'm going to Korea. Jobs are ridiculously hard to find in the US. Many friends I graduated with are still not working steady jobs (after a year), or if they are its in retail or a restaurant for minimum wage. But then again, I wanted to go to Korea anyway, depression or not, so maybe I don't count Smile
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emeliu wrote:
California Sparkling? more like, California-on-fire. 44 celsius weather, tuition hikes at my university, tripled parking fee, angry teachers, and income/sales tax increases.


Well, we spend $2.4 billion on the UC system, but $11 billion on the state prison system. Nice to know where all the money is going!

http://www.dateline.ucdavis.edu/dl_detail.lasso?id=11677
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Emeliu



Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
Emeliu wrote:
California Sparkling? more like, California-on-fire. 44 celsius weather, tuition hikes at my university, tripled parking fee, angry teachers, and income/sales tax increases.


Well, we spend $2.4 billion on the UC system, but $11 billion on the state prison system. Nice to know where all the money is going!

http://www.dateline.ucdavis.edu/dl_detail.lasso?id=11677


$11 billion? Dear god :\
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ReeseDog



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emeliu wrote:
madoka wrote:
Emeliu wrote:
California Sparkling? more like, California-on-fire. 44 celsius weather, tuition hikes at my university, tripled parking fee, angry teachers, and income/sales tax increases.


Well, we spend $2.4 billion on the UC system, but $11 billion on the state prison system. Nice to know where all the money is going!

http://www.dateline.ucdavis.edu/dl_detail.lasso?id=11677


$11 billion? Dear god :\


Don't the Chinese have a much more cost-efficient system for this sort of thing?
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alphakennyone



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

28 degrees at Coronado beach today. My only gripe is I can't have beer on the beach anymore.
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DrugstoreCowgirl



Joined: 08 May 2009
Location: Daegu-where the streets have no name

PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Micelf"][quote="ReeseDog"]
AgentM wrote:
Emeliu wrote:



...and California is paying her state employees with IOUs at the moment. California sparkling.

(Was that a form of blasphemy?)


Really.

I've seen and heard nothing about this, until now. Sources?


http://247wallst.com/2009/06/30/californias-iou-fever-is-likely-to-spread-to-other-states/
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ReeseDog



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="DrugstoreCowgirl"][quote="Micelf"]
ReeseDog wrote:
AgentM wrote:
Emeliu wrote:



...and California is paying her state employees with IOUs at the moment. California sparkling.

(Was that a form of blasphemy?)


Really.

I've seen and heard nothing about this, until now. Sources?


http://247wallst.com/2009/06/30/californias-iou-fever-is-likely-to-spread-to-other-states/


Hey, thanks, Cowgirl. Very Happy I was working on that.

Attagirl.
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AgentM



Joined: 07 Jun 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Er, minor quibble, but someone is misquoting me. Confused
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typo



Joined: 16 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Micelf"][quote="ReeseDog"]
AgentM wrote:
Emeliu wrote:



...and California is paying her state employees with IOUs at the moment. California sparkling.

(Was that a form of blasphemy?)


Really.

I've seen and heard nothing about this, until now. Sources?


Seriously? If you're american and dave's is the first place you've heard about the california budget crisis, you need to seriously start reading things other than troll-flooded ESL forums. may i suggest the atlantic's politics and business channels?

For americans (and, likely, all world citizens), what happens with california has a direct influence on us. there's no excuse to be that incredibly oblivious with such an important and potentially devastating circumstance in one of the world's largest economies.
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