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Gates Arrest: Did 9/11 Caller Never Mention Two Black Men?
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kabrams



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:51 pm    Post subject: Gates Arrest: Did 9/11 Caller Never Mention Two Black Men? Reply with quote

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CNN) -- The woman who made the 911 call that led to the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. never referred to black suspects when she called authorities for what she thought was a potential break-in.

Police in Cambridge, Massachusetts, released the 911 phone call Monday. In the call, Lucia Whalen reports seeing "two larger men, one looked kind of Hispanic, but I'm not really sure, and the other one entered, and I didn't see what he looked like at all."

"I just saw it from a distance, and this older woman was worried, thinking somebody's breaking in someone's house and they've been barging in," Whalen says. "She interrupted me, and that's when I noticed. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have noticed it at all, to be honest with you. So I was just calling because she was a concerned neighbor, I guess."

Attorney Wendy Murphy, who represents Whalen, also categorically rejected part of the police report that said Whalen talked with Sgt. James Crowley, the arresting officer, at the scene.

"Let me be clear: She never had a conversation with Sgt. Crowley at the scene," Murphy told CNN by phone. "And she never said to any police officer or to anybody 'two black men.' She never used the word 'black.' Period."


more info here: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/07/27/gates.arrest/index.html

I guess this puts a new spin on things. You guys should listen to the recording. Wow.
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mises



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some interesting articles from across the right (conservative to libertarian) on this topic.

http://www.independent.org/blog/?p=2886

http://www.city-journal.org/2009/eon0727hs.html

http://www.independent.org/blog/?p=2880

http://www.reason.com/news/show/135039.html
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Triban



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is such a stupid topic. You are beating a retarded horse. HE SHOULD HAVE POLITELY INFORMED THE POLICE THAT THIS WAS HIS HOUSE AND SHOWN THEM HIS ID. Instead, he proceeded to cry wolf...err, racist. Stop trying to make some huge racial issue over this incident. It was in fact the fault of the accused. If you have to cry foul, call it on the man who assumes every police officer is a racist; that is racism in itself.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triban wrote:
This is such a stupid topic. You are beating a retarded horse. HE SHOULD HAVE POLITELY INFORMED THE POLICE THAT THIS WAS HIS HOUSE AND SHOWN THEM HIS ID. Instead, he proceeded to cry wolf...err, racist. Stop trying to make some huge racial issue over this incident. It was in fact the fault of the accused. If you have to cry foul, call it on the man who assumes every police officer is a racist; that is racism in itself.


Since when were police officers considered a race?
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Triban



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gates is being racist by belligerently accusing the officers of being racist themselves; I never referred to the police as a race, I was referring to the action of Gates screaming racist. Gates sees a white man and jumps to conclusions...wait, isn't that...racial profiling? [Mod Edit]!
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kabrams



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is such a stupid topic. You are beating a retarded horse. HE SHOULD HAVE POLITELY INFORMED THE POLICE THAT THIS WAS HIS HOUSE AND SHOWN THEM HIS ID. Instead, he proceeded to cry wolf...err, racist. Stop trying to make some huge racial issue over this incident. It was in fact the fault of the accused. If you have to cry foul, call it on the man who assumes every police officer is a racist; that is racism in itself.


I never said the police officer (Crowley) was racist. In fact, I don't think that's it. Way to go there, Buddy.

What Crowley wrote in his police report is different than what is on tape and what the 9/11 caller says happened.

Crowley says he spoke with Lucia Whalen at the scene of the crime (outside of the home). She, however, says they never spoke.Crowley says Whalen told him there were two black men trying to break in, but in the tape, it's clear that she never knew what race they were and couldn't provide a clear description, AND that she was unsure as to whether or not they were neighbors and the door got jammed after they used a key, or if they were actual robbers.

We do, however, have her saying on tape that she thought it was "two men" and one "might be Hispanic" ONLY AFTER the dispatcher asked her "Are they white, black or Hispanic".

In his police report, Crowley states that he believed Gates lived in the house BEFORE he asked Gates for identification.

I'm just saying. A lot of stuff is different.
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kabrams



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triban wrote:
Gates is being racist by belligerently accusing the officers of being racist themselves; I never referred to the police as a race, I was referring to the action of Gates screaming racist. Gates sees a white man and jumps to conclusions...wait, isn't that...racial profiling? [Mod Edit]!


LOL, what a ridiculous argument. Rolling Eyes

You're completely ignoring the fact that a lot of what Crowley said happened (what he wrote in the police report) is untrue.

Wouldn't it also follow that some of what Crowley wrote happened with Gates might also be untrue or partially false?

Think about it.
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Hater Depot



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see the need to follow this case as closely as many seem to be. More info and evidence will keep coming out and there will likely be a lawsuit that brings everything out, and then we can all see what we think based on that. Anything else strikes me as speculation for its own sake.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
I don't see the need to follow this case as closely as many seem to be. More info and evidence will keep coming out and there will likely be a lawsuit that brings everything out, and then we can all see what we think based on that. Anything else strikes me as speculation for its own sake.


The only reason why I'm following this case so closely is that I'm trying to defend against a barrage of people here saying Gates is "crazy" or was "out of line" and that it's usual for black people to act this way.

Not even here, but in general.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kabrams: you seem consumed by the same hypersensitivity re: race that consumes H. Gates.

This topic has become the race, class, and gender people's new cause c�l�bre, and for what? Police response to a break-in report? I imagine 9/11 dispatchers ought to ask whether the suspects and homeowners are African-American next time, and if they are, do not send any white police to the scene as that would be racist. Better yet: do not respond at all. Would not want to offend African-American and race, class, and gender sensibilities, would we?

This story is about an overly-suspicious neighbor, watching everyone else's houses; and about a hypersensitive, histrionic, and hyperbolic African-American homeowner who became unreasonable with the police because he sees everything through a racist lens and because he became angry with the responding officer for doing his job. Y punto.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^This^
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
This topic has become the race, class, and gender people's new cause c�l�bre, and for what? Police response to a break-in report? I imagine 9/11 dispatchers ought to ask whether the suspects and homeowners are African-American next time, and if they are, do not send any white police to the scene as that would be racist. Better yet: do not respond at all. Would not want to offend African-American and race, class, and gender sensibilities, would we?

As mises previously pointed out, "De-policing" is already happening.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More than that, Bacasper. What we see are the origins of desegregation's nonviability.

Perhaps blacks and whites would be better off in their own neighborhoods, with their own police officers and schools, etc., etc., etc., and ought to avoid "interfering" in the others' sphere, "harassing" the other side's day-to-day lives, as much as possible while inhabiting the same country.

Anything but these neverending allegations that all of us who are white all inveterate, malicious racists, while all those who are black are good and pure and just victims, until the end of time...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"It will probably be asked, Why not retain and incorporate the blacks into the state, and thus save the expense of supplying, by importation of white settlers, the vacancies they will leave? Deep rooted prejudices entertained by the whites; ten thousand recollections, by the blacks, of the injuries they have sustained; new provocations; the real distinctions which nature has made; and many other circumstances, will divide us into parties, and produce convulsions, which will probably never end but in the extermination of the one or the other race"

-Thomas Jefferson
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
More than that, Bacasper. What we see are the origins of desegregation's nonviability.

Perhaps blacks and whites would be better off in their own neighborhoods, with their own police officers and schools, etc., etc., etc., and ought to avoid "interfering" in the others' sphere, "harassing" the other side's day-to-day lives, as much as possible while inhabiting the same country.

Anything but these neverending allegations that all of us who are white all inveterate, malicious racists, while all those who are black are good and pure and just victims, until the end of time...

That is a bit of an exaggeration. There are many neighborhoods, at least in NYC, where a rainbow spectrum of people are just that - people - with relatively few of the problems noted here. Note I said "many," certainly not all, and many other areas definitely have problems. I at least partially agree that it may not work everywhere.

OTOH, there is something to be said for voluntary segregation to an extent. I once knew a black militant who wanted to go to South Africa to fight IN SUPPORT OF the apartheid government because he supported separation of the races.

Black comedian George Wallace said, referring to kids trying to act like a different race,
Quote:
I don't want no "wiggers." I like my white people white and my black people black.


Each group has a rich culture which should not only be preserved, but given a space in which it is allowed to flourish. I can't think of anything more boring than a completely homogeneous planet.

Frank Zappa composed and sang You Are What You Iz

and wrote:

A foolish young man from a middle class fam'ly
Started singin' the blues, 'cause he thought it was manly

Now he talks like the Kingfish ("Saffiiiee!") from Amos 'n Andy ("Holy mack'l dere, holy mack'l dere")
He tells you that Chitlins (Chitlins), well, they taste just like candy

He thinks that he's got the whole thing down
From the Nivea Lotion to The Royal Crown

Do you know what you are?
You are what you is
You is what you am, a cow don't make ham
You ain't what you're not, so see what you got
You are what you is and that's all it is

A foolish young man of the Negro Persuasion
(Well, well, well) Devoted his life to become a Caucasian
(Well, well, well) He stopped eating pork, he stopped eating greens
(Well, well, well) He traded his dashiki ("Uhuru!") for some Jordache Jeans
(Well, well, well) He learned to play golf and he got a good score
(Well, well, well) Now he says to himself, "I ain't no nigger no more" (Hey, hey, hey)

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