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kabrams
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 Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:51 pm Post subject: Gates Arrest: Did 9/11 Caller Never Mention Two Black Men? |
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CNN) -- The woman who made the 911 call that led to the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. never referred to black suspects when she called authorities for what she thought was a potential break-in.
Police in Cambridge, Massachusetts, released the 911 phone call Monday. In the call, Lucia Whalen reports seeing "two larger men, one looked kind of Hispanic, but I'm not really sure, and the other one entered, and I didn't see what he looked like at all."
"I just saw it from a distance, and this older woman was worried, thinking somebody's breaking in someone's house and they've been barging in," Whalen says. "She interrupted me, and that's when I noticed. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have noticed it at all, to be honest with you. So I was just calling because she was a concerned neighbor, I guess."
Attorney Wendy Murphy, who represents Whalen, also categorically rejected part of the police report that said Whalen talked with Sgt. James Crowley, the arresting officer, at the scene.
"Let me be clear: She never had a conversation with Sgt. Crowley at the scene," Murphy told CNN by phone. "And she never said to any police officer or to anybody 'two black men.' She never used the word 'black.' Period." |
more info here: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/07/27/gates.arrest/index.html
I guess this puts a new spin on things. You guys should listen to the recording. Wow. |
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mises
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Triban
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| This is such a stupid topic. You are beating a retarded horse. HE SHOULD HAVE POLITELY INFORMED THE POLICE THAT THIS WAS HIS HOUSE AND SHOWN THEM HIS ID. Instead, he proceeded to cry wolf...err, racist. Stop trying to make some huge racial issue over this incident. It was in fact the fault of the accused. If you have to cry foul, call it on the man who assumes every police officer is a racist; that is racism in itself. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Triban wrote: |
| This is such a stupid topic. You are beating a retarded horse. HE SHOULD HAVE POLITELY INFORMED THE POLICE THAT THIS WAS HIS HOUSE AND SHOWN THEM HIS ID. Instead, he proceeded to cry wolf...err, racist. Stop trying to make some huge racial issue over this incident. It was in fact the fault of the accused. If you have to cry foul, call it on the man who assumes every police officer is a racist; that is racism in itself. |
Since when were police officers considered a race? |
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Triban
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Gates is being racist by belligerently accusing the officers of being racist themselves; I never referred to the police as a race, I was referring to the action of Gates screaming racist. Gates sees a white man and jumps to conclusions...wait, isn't that...racial profiling? [Mod Edit]! |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| This is such a stupid topic. You are beating a retarded horse. HE SHOULD HAVE POLITELY INFORMED THE POLICE THAT THIS WAS HIS HOUSE AND SHOWN THEM HIS ID. Instead, he proceeded to cry wolf...err, racist. Stop trying to make some huge racial issue over this incident. It was in fact the fault of the accused. If you have to cry foul, call it on the man who assumes every police officer is a racist; that is racism in itself. |
I never said the police officer (Crowley) was racist. In fact, I don't think that's it. Way to go there, Buddy.
What Crowley wrote in his police report is different than what is on tape and what the 9/11 caller says happened.
Crowley says he spoke with Lucia Whalen at the scene of the crime (outside of the home). She, however, says they never spoke.Crowley says Whalen told him there were two black men trying to break in, but in the tape, it's clear that she never knew what race they were and couldn't provide a clear description, AND that she was unsure as to whether or not they were neighbors and the door got jammed after they used a key, or if they were actual robbers.
We do, however, have her saying on tape that she thought it was "two men" and one "might be Hispanic" ONLY AFTER the dispatcher asked her "Are they white, black or Hispanic".
In his police report, Crowley states that he believed Gates lived in the house BEFORE he asked Gates for identification.
I'm just saying. A lot of stuff is different. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Triban wrote: |
| Gates is being racist by belligerently accusing the officers of being racist themselves; I never referred to the police as a race, I was referring to the action of Gates screaming racist. Gates sees a white man and jumps to conclusions...wait, isn't that...racial profiling? [Mod Edit]! |
LOL, what a ridiculous argument. 
You're completely ignoring the fact that a lot of what Crowley said happened (what he wrote in the police report) is untrue.
Wouldn't it also follow that some of what Crowley wrote happened with Gates might also be untrue or partially false?
Think about it. |
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Hater Depot
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't see the need to follow this case as closely as many seem to be. More info and evidence will keep coming out and there will likely be a lawsuit that brings everything out, and then we can all see what we think based on that. Anything else strikes me as speculation for its own sake. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| I don't see the need to follow this case as closely as many seem to be. More info and evidence will keep coming out and there will likely be a lawsuit that brings everything out, and then we can all see what we think based on that. Anything else strikes me as speculation for its own sake. |
The only reason why I'm following this case so closely is that I'm trying to defend against a barrage of people here saying Gates is "crazy" or was "out of line" and that it's usual for black people to act this way.
Not even here, but in general. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Kabrams: you seem consumed by the same hypersensitivity re: race that consumes H. Gates.
This topic has become the race, class, and gender people's new cause c�l�bre, and for what? Police response to a break-in report? I imagine 9/11 dispatchers ought to ask whether the suspects and homeowners are African-American next time, and if they are, do not send any white police to the scene as that would be racist. Better yet: do not respond at all. Would not want to offend African-American and race, class, and gender sensibilities, would we?
This story is about an overly-suspicious neighbor, watching everyone else's houses; and about a hypersensitive, histrionic, and hyperbolic African-American homeowner who became unreasonable with the police because he sees everything through a racist lens and because he became angry with the responding officer for doing his job. Y punto. |
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