Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Olbermann takes blue dogs and Republicans to task
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Current Events Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
thoreau



Joined: 21 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:41 am    Post subject: Olbermann takes blue dogs and Republicans to task Reply with quote

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677#32277034 (video)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32276889/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann (text)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crying or Very sad I also posted the same thing earlier. Confused
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
thoreau



Joined: 21 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
:cry: I also posted the same thing earlier. :?


Sorry. I actually looked over the titles of the recent posts and didn't notice your 'clever' thread title. I thought it was a reference to the old joke....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great minds think alike. Anyway, it seems you and I are the only ones impressed by Olbermann's performance.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
RufusW



Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too, it was very good. Corporate capture of democracy means it simply doesn't follow what the electorate actually feels. America really needs campaign finance reform.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Kikomom



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The U.S. needs to adopt "Best Practices". I can't remember which country, but a couple months ago I read about how they developed their national health care plan. They studied the BEST PRACTICES of other countries with such care and adopted them. Throw out what wasn't working and use the best.

Why can't the US do that? Because too many people are getting rich from insurance payments, like ex-TN Senator Frisk, and lobbyists, insurance, drug, and companies that are nothing but leeches. Doctors, nurses, hospital workers, techs, staff are well worth their salaries. Admin and bureaucrats too. But too much is siphoned off by middlemen and contractors that drives the prices up and the taxpayer/patient broke. Even auditors in Texas are contractors.

The VA is the best model in the U.S. (I use them, I know), yet even they contract out--I have my yearly mammograms done at my local hospital and they bill the VA. There is smart, efficient contracting, but when the Republicans push for 'small govt', all they really mean is farm the work out--and pay 2-3x more than having it done first hand, funneling off taxpayer money to guys like Frist, who own the system.

They know perfectly well that anytime money crosses palms, some rubs off. The rub off.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
America really needs campaign finance reform.


Amen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ubermenzch



Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An interesting commentary. I was happy to see him call out both Republicans and Democrats for the slavish attention they give to the corporate interests. This is beyond dispute. But I disagree with his warning to the blue-dogs that progressives and moderates are watching them and if they fail to pass the health care reform needed (public option) they will be voted out of office. That strikes me as an obvious bit of ideological posturing. The polls seem to indicate that a significant portion of the electorate, particularly independents (who are of no small import), actually approve of what the blue-dogs are doing, especially their slowing down of the legislative process.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
thoreau



Joined: 21 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kikomom wrote:
Why can't the US do that? Because too many people are getting rich from insurance payments, like ex-TN Senator Frisk, and lobbyists, insurance, drug, and companies that are nothing but leeches. Doctors, nurses, hospital workers, techs, staff are well worth their salaries. Admin and bureaucrats too. But too much is siphoned off by middlemen and contractors that drives the prices up and the taxpayer/patient broke. Even auditors in Texas are contractors.

The VA is the best model in the U.S. (I use them, I know), yet even they contract out--I have my yearly mammograms done at my local hospital and they bill the VA. There is smart, efficient contracting, but when the Republicans push for 'small govt', all they really mean is farm the work out--and pay 2-3x more than having it done first hand, funneling off taxpayer money to guys like Frist, who own the system.


You are misinformed.

Generally speaking, insurance companies do not cover procedures that are not 'best practice' (they call it standard practice.)

Also, the VA is the worst model in the U.S. Only a short read of the literature shows the VA is a terrible system that subjects the guardians of our freedom to substandard care.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-03-21-va-review_N.htm


It is best if a gov't is not involved in PROVIDING care. However, they do a pretty good job of handling the payments for care. This is why Medicare is a good model for universal/single payer health care.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
push for 'small govt', all they really mean is farm the work out--and pay 2-3x more than having it done first hand, funneling off taxpayer money to guys like Frist, who own the system.

well said
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Kikomom



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko

PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When George Bush came in office we began to call it Funnel Inc., Cronies Inc., ...some of us have known this from the start. Beginning with Faith-Based Charities and NCLB, all the bull about wanting 'smaller govt' certainly had it's appeal. The beauty was how they eased their way into the rape and pillaging all the way thru to the bailouts. You can call it contracting, out-sourcing, privatization... it's all the same thing.

Now the battle comes to Health Care, you better believe it's samo samo.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
thoreau



Joined: 21 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kikomom wrote:
When George Bush came in office we began to call it Funnel Inc., Cronies Inc., ...some of us have known this from the start. Beginning with Faith-Based Charities and NCLB, all the bull about wanting 'smaller govt' certainly had it's appeal. The beauty was how they eased their way into the rape and pillaging all the way thru to the bailouts. You can call it contracting, out-sourcing, privatization... it's all the same thing.

Now the battle comes to Health Care, you better believe it's samo samo.


To be fair, under Obama it is now called Wall Street Inc.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Kikomom



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko

PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be perfectly fair, Obama inherited Wall St. Inc. and the bailouts of last October (sucking blood from the stone) fell under W's watch.

And Thoreau, the VA is not the worst by any means. Bush's war did it's best to break it, Walter Reed and Bethesda were overwhelmed with wounded and amputees. But the rest of the system carries on just fine.

Quote:
'Overwhelmingly impressed'

To be sure, the VA earned its reputation in the past. People waited all day to see a doctor. There was no such thing as customer service.

All that changed 15 years ago when the model shifted from simply treating the wounds of war to a true wellness program.

Today, the VA is a sparkling, bustling place where thousands of veterans are treated for everything from minor injuries to major surgery. From valet parking to state-of-the-art physical therapy and psychological services, the VA is fulfilling the promise made to those who served. And it's practically free.

So what's the catch?

Eligibility rules are complex, but suffice it to say if you served in uniform, you're a veteran. Iraq and Afghanistan veterans are fully eligible for five years after service. Beyond that, costs depend upon your income.
...

"...it's been an incredible ride over the past decade to be part of an organization that has evolved so tremendously from something that was probably second- or third-class care to the premier health care organization in the world."

Her point is backed up by the fact the Charleston VA is ranked 10th overall among the system's 144 hospitals and second for its quality of medical care in the country.

"It's all about accountability and responsibility," Hutchison said. "Those are the two important concepts that moved the VA forward."

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2009/aug/06/its_new_day_down_at_va91647/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kikomom wrote:
To be perfectly fair, Obama inherited Wall St. Inc. and the bailouts of last October


No, that isn't perfectly fair. He's had 200 days to demonstrate even the slightest desire to take on the banksters. He's facilitated their rape of the entire country/planet.

The only meaningful change has come from Bernie Sanders, who forced the CFTC to introduce curbs on speculation in the commodity markets by placing a 'hold' on Obama's nominee Gary Gensler, a "former" Goldman's partner, unless such regulations were enacted.

Yes. Obama picked a Goldman's partner to run the CFTC. That cool million GS donated to Hope and Change sure paid off.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
thoreau



Joined: 21 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kikomom wrote:
To be perfectly fair, Obama inherited Wall St. Inc. and the bailouts of last October (sucking blood from the stone) fell under W's watch.


Actually, I was referring to the fact that Obama has filled his cabinet and advisers with former Wall Street executives.

Quote:
A series of articles published over the weekend, based on financial disclosure reports released by the Obama administration last Friday concerning top White House officials, documents the extent to which the administration, in both its personnel and policies, is a political instrument of Wall Street.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/apr2009/pers-a06.shtml


Kikomom wrote:
And Thoreau, the VA is not the worst by any means. Bush's war did it's best to break it, Walter Reed and Bethesda were overwhelmed with wounded and amputees. But the rest of the system carries on just fine.


Quote:
'Overwhelmingly impressed'

To be sure, the VA earned its reputation in the past. People waited all day to see a doctor. There was no such thing as customer service.


Again to be clear, you posted an excerpt from a feel good piece in some newspaper. I posted a link to a review of an internal VA study. I'm willing to bet my data is better than yours.

Also, it appears that you are blinded by ideology. I am truly sorry for you. When you are blinded you cannot see truth when it stares you in the face. Maybe you are blinded by the star Obama or perhaps blinded by rage towards Mr. Bush. Either way, you seem incapable of seeing through ideology to the truth.

For example, you say Mr. Bush's war 'did its best' to break some VA hospitals. According to the U.S. military:

http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/death_Rates.pdf

the total number of military deaths from 1992 to 2008 was 20,425. 40% of those deaths were during Mr. Clinton's administration.

Clearly, this is not simply a Republican thing. Both parties seem to enjoy sending young men and women off to die. In fact, Mr. Obama's war games in Afghanistan is seeing some of the bloodiest months to date:

Quote:
After nearly eight years of warfare in Afghanistan, July proved by far the deadliest month yet for U.S. troops and their foreign allies.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/DN-afghan_01int.ART.State.Edition1.4bb2187.html

But here is the money shot - and if you listen to Mr. Olbermann you will hear this truth. Mr. Obama and Congress are bought and paid for by corporations. And because of that we will not see meaningful health care reform in the U.S. It's really pretty simple.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Current Events Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International