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Kimbop
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RufusW
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| I think Congress just voted to strip funding; but the huge majority of their funding is through their members etc... |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| I was waiting for some one to post this. It's kind of over the top outrageous. It makes you wonder what nefarious practices, less high profile special interest groups get up to. |
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Any person with a normal mind would have immediately seen this guy as a fraud. Have you seen the outfit he wore? Straight out of snoop dog video. |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Any person with a normal mind would have immediately seen this guy as a fraud. Have you seen the outfit he wore? Straight out of snoop dog video. |
Haha, it was what a middle management guy with no life experience would think a pimp was meant to look like. He had a cane, right? |
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| And a fur coat. |
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Rusty Shackleford
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RufusW
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Any person with a normal mind would have immediately seen this guy as a fraud. |
Well apparently they tried it many many times over maybe 4 months, failed many times and had the cops called on them. The filmmaker certainly didn't highlight the fact it took him many attempts.
You obviously need to be weary of condemning a whole organization because of the actions of a few people. It's worth noting ACORN takes its workers from the poorer part of society.
Devil's advocate....kinda
Now, they're obviously facilitating illegal activity, but they're not the police and their sole motivator is helping the poor. Take the example of needle exchanges. These facilitate illegal activity for the 'greater good' of people not hurting themselves. Isn't dodging taxes to keep income (or similar) and thereby hopefully pulling herself out of poverty at least similar? (It seems to me the 'prostitute' was doing it voluntarily which isn't the case for the 13 Salvadoreans).
Is there a duty to report illegal behaviour?
What illegal behaviour did the ACORN employees engage in? Were they not just fudging tax returns etc... something that an educated person would know about (and do) if in the same position? And if so, are they not victims of a failed education and in fact deserve such help from ACORN.
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| It is an ethnic shakedown organization inspired byRules for Radicals, which ironically enough was also the inspiration of the young conservative man who just took them down. I hope more right thinking people learn from this and take on the various devils wrapped in happy language (community, social, justice, equality). |
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Hater Depot
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Hmmm.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ACORN_HIDDEN_CAMERA?SITE=FLSTU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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Police say a worker with the activist group ACORN who was caught on video giving advice about human smuggling to a couple posing as a pimp and a prostitute had reported the incident to authorities.
National City police said Monday that Juan Carlos Vera contacted his cousin, a police detective, to get advice on what to with information on possible human smuggling.
Vera was secretly filmed on Aug. 18 as part of a young couple's high-profile expose. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Whoops: Anti-ACORN Bill Ropes In Defense Contractors, Others Charged With Fraud
by Ryan Grim
Going after ACORN may be like shooting fish in a barrel lately -- but jumpy lawmakers used a bazooka to do it last week and may have blown up some of their longtime allies in the process.
The congressional legislation intended to defund ACORN, passed with broad bipartisan support, is written so broadly that it applies to "any organization" that has been charged with breaking federal or state election laws, lobbying disclosure laws, campaign finance laws or filing fraudulent paperwork with any federal or state agency. It also applies to any of the employees, contractors or other folks affiliated with a group charged with any of those things.
In other words, the bill could plausibly defund the entire military-industrial complex. Whoops.
Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) picked up on the legislative overreach and asked the Project on Government Oversight (POGO) to sift through its database to find which contractors might be caught in the ACORN net. |
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/09/23-0
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/25/rep-grayson-calls-for-cor_n_300399.html
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When the House of Representatives went after federal funding for the community-organizing group ACORN last week, the bill as written also affected "any organization" that had been involved in a wide range of fraudulent activity and other bad behavior.
On Friday, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) inserted into the "legislative history" language spelling out that including all fraudulent organizations was, in fact, the intent of the Congress.
Meanwhile, he has been asking citizens to suggest specific companies which would be targeted by the anti-fraud language and provide evidence for the claim. The list has grown several pages long. The names of those organizations will be submitted into the congressional record next week.
"The purpose of this bill is to cleanse federal contracting and grant-making, completely and permanently. The purpose is to put an end to the invidious practice of rewarding those who steal taxpayer money by giving them more taxpayer money," writes Grayson. "The bill imposes, and is intended to impose, a corporate death penalty on contractors who fall within the scope of its prohibitions."
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And Greenwald interviewed Greyson about this:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/radio/2009/09/23/grayson/index.html
How quick will that bill get changed.. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| Any person with a normal mind would have immediately seen this guy as a fraud. Have you seen the outfit he wore? Straight out of snoop dog video. |
Haha, it was what a middle management guy with no life experience would think a pimp was meant to look like. He had a cane, right? |
It reminds me of that army doctor who murdered his family, and then told the cops that the killers were a bunch of hippies who broke into his house and marched around chanting "acid is groovy". Basically, a square guy's idea of what hippies are like. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Not news at all. And here is why:
ONE: I bet if I dressed up as a cowboy and attended NRA meetings, sooner or later I'd find some people willing to sell me illegal firearms after a lot of initial refusals.
So does this mean the NRA is in the illegal arms trade?
TWO: I bet if I hired a real hot young lady to speed down the freeways all over America and keep getting tickets, I bet she would eventually find a few highway patrol officers willing to let her go for a little nooky-nooky.
So does this mean that all American highway patrol officers are corruptable?
THREE: I bet that if I got a Korean woman to go to a lot of foreigners teaching English in South Korea and try to offer them a large sum money for a phoney marriage to get a permanent green card in the foreigners' home country, eventually we'd find a few willing to do it.
So does this mean that all foreigners teaching English are so easily bribed?
It is pure unadulterated hypocrisy to attack an entire group based on the actions of a few within that organization. As foreigners working in Asia, we of all people should know better than that.
I hate hypocrites....  |
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proustme
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| While these ACORN situations merit looking into, they take away the spotlight from war profiteers and the rape allegations in Iraq. |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
Not news at all. And here is why:
ONE: I bet if I dressed up as a cowboy and attended NRA meetings, sooner or later I'd find some people willing to sell me illegal firearms after a lot of initial refusals.
So does this mean the NRA is in the illegal arms trade?
TWO: I bet if I hired a real hot young lady to speed down the freeways all over America and keep getting tickets, I bet she would eventually find a few highway patrol officers willing to let her go for a little nooky-nooky.
So does this mean that all American highway patrol officers are corruptable?
THREE: I bet that if I got a Korean woman to go to a lot of foreigners teaching English in South Korea and try to offer them a large sum money for a phoney marriage to get a permanent green card in the foreigners' home country, eventually we'd find a few willing to do it.
So does this mean that all foreigners teaching English are so easily bribed?
It is pure unadulterated hypocrisy to attack an entire group based on the actions of a few within that organization. As foreigners working in Asia, we of all people should know better than that.
I hate hypocrites.... |
There is one massive glaring problem with the examples you made. None of the hypothetical people you mentioned receive millions of dollars in govt funding. |
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