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afsjesse
Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.
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 Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:25 am Post subject: For those fo you who think ESL in Korea couldn't get u a job |
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I just used the entire experience to land a 2nd interview at McDonald's! 
lol.... banking extra buck ontop of school to go to Europe. I knew Korea would pay! |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Sorry to burst your bubble, but getting a job back home has little to do with experience and a lot to do with schmoozing nowadays. I've known people who had zilch experience an a particular field land a good job because the "connected" with the interviewer. I also know of some engineers with years of experience who are working some jobs like McDonalds. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry to burst your bubble, but getting a job back home has little to do with experience and a lot to do with schmoozing nowadays. |
Thats true. I am amazed at how many people tell me they got the job through friends and family. I also know a guy with 20 years experience in the IT industry who was management lvl when he left the UK and couldn't find work in NZ, even though he got the immigration visa because he was in IT.
Also all my lecturers in this town tell me the same thing, you get the job by who you know, not what you know. Most students leave town to go home to find work and most locals have jobs, but many of thier employees are friends or family. |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| xingyiman wrote: |
| Sorry to burst your bubble, but getting a job back home has little to do with experience and a lot to do with schmoozing nowadays. I've known people who had zilch experience an a particular field land a good job because the "connected" with the interviewer. I also know of some engineers with years of experience who are working some jobs like McDonalds. |
Exactly. He must have connected very well with the interviewer at McDonald's--or maybe he has an "in" through a friend who works there already.  |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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This would be the case if the person didn't have a degree- I don't know why most Koreans or "non-Korean" posters still persist in the old perception that most NES ESL teachers could only get a job at McDonalds.
On a lighter note, it is hiring season onbase and I just recently turned down 5 Korean and gypo applicants for jobs at my agency because they didn't have either the experience or the language skills required.
~ One woman cried and begged me to hire her, saying that she couldn't get a job at a Korean company because she was married and had two kids- not my problem and sounded like personal issues.
~ While a guy demanded a job based on the sole fact that he graduated from Seoul National University and had high TEOFL scores. When I asked him some technical questions about the job, he couldn't utter a single sentence. I threatened to call the MPs unless he left my office.
~ Yet another was a dependent of a full-bird Colonel who tried to press me to hire his half-breed son. I asked what kind of skills his son had related to the job and he said that it didn't matter because he is a military dependent. Thats when I showed him the regulations regarding the job and said that just being a military dependent only made him eligible for the job, it didn't guarantee him the job. Thats when he threatened to call General Bell to have him demand me to hire his son. I told him to go right ahead and I would press ethics charges on him for abusing his authority to try to press me to hire someone that was not qualified for the job.
Yeah, I hate it when I have to deal with unqualified people  |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I am curious. What jobs were they aspplying for? |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| redaxe wrote: |
| xingyiman wrote: |
| Sorry to burst your bubble, but getting a job back home has little to do with experience and a lot to do with schmoozing nowadays. I've known people who had zilch experience an a particular field land a good job because the "connected" with the interviewer. I also know of some engineers with years of experience who are working some jobs like McDonalds. |
Exactly. He must have connected very well with the interviewer at McDonald's--or maybe he has an "in" through a friend who works there already. |
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I was refferring to a descent job. Don't be an ass. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| xingyiman wrote: |
I was refferring to a descent job. |
I suppose ending up at Mickey D's could be characterized that way. |
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jdunca12
Joined: 06 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| xingyiman wrote: |
I was refferring to a descent job. |
I suppose ending up at Mickey D's could be characterized that way. |
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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I have to agree with the age old sentiments:
"It's about who you know, not what you know."
I went from fund account straight up to a manager because I knew the right people. Albeit, it wasn't exactly the greatest upgrade in wage, it was certainly one in esteem and title.
Right now I have a great job offer waiting for me in China because one of my co-teachers went to China to teach. She became head teacher there and we were great friends. The pay wage is the same as Korea, with housing provided and everything. Fully furnished apartment. When my contract finishes, I think I'll be setting my sights in that direction.
Life has a lot of golden opportunities. All it takes is networking with the right people. |
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rowdie3
Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Location: Itaewon, Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| To the guy doing the hiring on base, did you really just use the word "half-breed"? Seriously? You seem real educated yourself sir. |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I am curious. What jobs were they aspplying for? |
The job that was advertised on USAjobs.gov
Obviously they thought they that they could use some kind of connection to get a job with my agency- as long as I am director, that won't happen. Qualification and experience merit working with my team, not who you know- I put a stop to that by doing evaluations as soon as I took over and terminated the employment of all those that had no business being there. I even had the EUSA commander come and talk to me on behalf of one lady who I let go. I pointed out to LTG Fil that she was hired without any formal qualifications except for the fact that she was married to a LTC who lived on Yongsan. Than I pointed out a report that suggested that I could save the Army millions by getting rid of unproductive personnel from my office and since then, no one from either EUSA or USFK has bothered me.
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| To the guy doing the hiring on base, did you really just use the word "half-breed"? Seriously? |
Yes sir, I did- thank you for pointing that out and asking.
It is alot tamer compared to what Koreans call mixed people.
You can call CPOL in Daegu and report me if you want, I won't stop you
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| You seem real educated yourself. |
Thank you. I think the 4 years at UMass and the 2 years at Columbia University really paid off |
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Samurai Blur
Joined: 20 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I landed a job last week by telling the manager of a photography studio that I'm going to school to become and English teacher. She's a teacher for second chance kids and ran to tell the Asst. Manager about me when I told her. When I mentioned I would be teaching abroad the Asst. was down for hiring me because she has an obsession with traveling abroad. I don't even have any experience in ESL and I landed a job by saying that it's my intention. OP, my point is that experience doesn't really have anything to do with it, it's all about who you know and how well you can speak bull****, as many others have already stated. |
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English Matt
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I am curious. What jobs were they aspplying for? |
The job that was advertised on USAjobs.gov
Obviously they thought they that they could use some kind of connection to get a job with my agency- as long as I am director, that won't happen. Qualification and experience merit working with my team, not who you know- I put a stop to that by doing evaluations as soon as I took over and terminated the employment of all those that had no business being there. I even had the EUSA commander come and talk to me on behalf of one lady who I let go. I pointed out to LTG Fil that she was hired without any formal qualifications except for the fact that she was married to a LTC who lived on Yongsan. Than I pointed out a report that suggested that I could save the Army millions by getting rid of unproductive personnel from my office and since then, no one from either EUSA or USFK has bothered me.
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| To the guy doing the hiring on base, did you really just use the word "half-breed"? Seriously? |
Yes sir, I did- thank you for pointing that out and asking.
It is alot tamer compared to what Koreans call mixed people.
You can call CPOL in Daegu and report me if you want, I won't stop you
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| You seem real educated yourself. |
Thank you. I think the 4 years at UMass and the 2 years at Columbia University really paid off |
You can take a horse to water, but I think this just proves once again that you can't make him drink. I'm sure your years there were well spent...not sure on what though. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry to burst your bubble, but getting a job back home has little to do with experience and a lot to do with schmoozing nowadays. I've known people who had zilch experience an a particular field land a good job because the "connected" with the interviewer. I also know of some engineers with years of experience who are working some jobs like McDonalds. |
yup, this is why of course that asians in the West tend to study science since there's less need for contacts and networking. Whites with contacts can get jobs in publishing, media and finance.
Of course some whites don't have this social capital to rely on and a percentage of those end up in the ESL field. Of course there are many exceptions like folks who have actually studied and gotten degrees in ESL/EFL. So the argument that some of these folks would be flipping burgers or working in telemarketing does have some merit. But again, there are some exceptions. |
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