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International Press: 'South Koreans Struggle With Race'
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Geckoman



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:27 pm    Post subject: International Press: 'South Koreans Struggle With Race' Reply with quote

Interesting article from the International Herald Tribune (www.iht.com)about South Korea's struggle with race.

South Koreans Struggle With Race
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/02/world/asia/02race.html?ref=global-home

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Konglishman



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Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone already beat you to it.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=169824
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Clockout



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah this article tickled me
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Geckoman



Joined: 07 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Konglishman wrote:
Someone already beat you to it.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=169824


Who would of known that with such an unrelated title?

People need to put appropriate titles that match what their threads deal with.

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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hadn't seen the earlier thread. Thanks for the link.

Nice to see this story in the western media. Little will change without international embarrassment like this.
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AussieGav



Joined: 02 Sep 2007
Location: Uijeongbu

PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah a very good link/article, thanks. Over the past three and bit years with my Korean wife, I have been pretty lucky really and have not experieinced too much overt prejudice outside of a few piercing stares. But I guess it still exists unfortunatly.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A hugely popular television program is �Chit Chat of Beautiful Ladies� � a show where young, attractive, mostly Caucasian women who are fluent in Korean discuss South Korea.

mostly? they make it sound like there are guys on the show. there has never been guys on the show has there? except for like a one off special or something right?

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Yet, when South Koreans refer to Americans in private conversations, they nearly always attach the same suffix as when they talk about the Japanese and Chinese, their historical masters: �nom,� which means �bastards.�

I was unfamiliar with this meaning of 놈. My dictionary points to 놈 having a similar meaning to "buddy" or "guy", or sometimes "kid".

Naver has it:
http://endic.naver.com/endic.nhn?docid=2178500

놈팡이 has that meaning. But they don't have any examples showing it used as a suffix... the only suffix I found it used as was to mean "butcher" 관놈.

The other times its used as a suffix to mean something negative is when the word its attached to is bad, like 나쁜 놈 (bad guy)
http://endic.naver.com/search.nhn?kind=example&query=%B3%F0 [edit]I just ran that by one of my language partners, and they have no idea what the article is talking about. the naver link is right. About as bad as it gets by itself is if someone says "이놈" in a disparaging way, equivalent to "that guy" while turning up your nose at them.


over-all good article. Nice to see them look at changing some laws and cracking down on this. I think the other asians have a harder time in Korea than westerners. There is far more history with some countries like Japan and china than there is with a country like Canada or the UK.

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They charged that such a law would only encourage even more migrant workers to come to South Korea, pushing native workers out of jobs and creating crime-infested slums.

Some koreans believe that. I remember when I meat the real estate guy, he recommended against living on one side of the subway station because a lot of chinese immigrants lived there and he said it was "less safe".

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Even today, the North Korean authorities often force abortion on women who return home pregnant after going to China to find food, according to defectors and human rights groups.

this seems like an out of place bit in an article that is really about south korea... I don't think anyone would say the two koreas are on the same level when it comes to human rights and discrimination.


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mayorgc



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mostly? they make it sound like there are guys on the show. there has never been guys on the show has there? except for like a one off special or something right?


The mostly is in reference to the fact that there are Japanese, Chinese, Thai and "other" ethnic ladies.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mayorgc wrote:


The mostly is in reference to the fact that there are Japanese, Chinese, Thai and "other" ethnic ladies.


ah.

apparently there are quite a few girls on the show
http://www.kbs.co.kr/2tv/enter/suda/about/member.html

around 109 girls listed. Why is it whenever I'm flipping channels that girl from italy is always talking...

from the thumbs around 50 are obviously not caucasian. pretty close..
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Murakano



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
mayorgc wrote:


The mostly is in reference to the fact that there are Japanese, Chinese, Thai and "other" ethnic ladies.


ah.

apparently there are quite a few girls on the show
http://www.kbs.co.kr/2tv/enter/suda/about/member.html

around 109 girls listed. Why is it whenever I'm flipping channels that girl from italy is always talking...

from the thumbs around 50 are obviously not caucasian. pretty close..


and her korean is probably the worst out of all the "beauties" too Laughing
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crossmr



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Murakano wrote:


and her korean is probably the worst out of all the "beauties" too Laughing
Her voice is like finger-nails on a chalkboard. It so nasal. It reminds me of like Fran Drescher or that girl off Friends who was into Chandler.
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redaxe



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
Murakano wrote:


and her korean is probably the worst out of all the "beauties" too Laughing
Her voice is like finger-nails on a chalkboard. It so nasal. It reminds me of like Fran Drescher or that girl off Friends who was into Chandler.


Janice. OH. MY. GOD!

Yeah the girl from Italy talks so loud and nasally, I want to throw something at the screen when she talks. I think she's worse than Fran Drescher or Janice.

I wanna see more Eastern European beauties on that show. Russian, Ukrainian, Bulgarian? Yes please! Even Korean sounds sexy with that accent.
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kabrams



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The author used "obsessed" way too many times for this article to be unbiased, lol!
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seoulsucker



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redaxe wrote:
Yeah the girl from Italy talks so loud and nasally, I want to throw something at the screen when she talks. I think she's worse than Fran Drescher or Janice.


I'm 99% sure she did the voice work for the "Art of technology...Sonata" commercial currently on the air, and when she speaks Italian her voice is actually tolerable.

Once she hacks up the tagline in English, though...(shudders)...ewwwwww. Same when she speaks Korean.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redaxe wrote:

Janice. OH. MY. GOD!

Yeah the girl from Italy talks so loud and nasally, I want to throw something at the screen when she talks. I think she's worse than Fran Drescher or Janice.

I wanna see more Eastern European beauties on that show. Russian, Ukrainian, Bulgarian? Yes please! Even Korean sounds sexy with that accent.


I actually found a clip, around 3:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAMEPXI2EW8
vs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekTa1W6sKpw
vs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkp7wsJc8MI

yeah.. I think you're right...
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