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Why Can�t Muslim Societies Be More Like a Globalised West?
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:41 am    Post subject: Why Can�t Muslim Societies Be More Like a Globalised West? Reply with quote

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BEIRUT � Many commentators on Islam make the same mistake: They instinctively assume that Muslim resistance to western globalisation reflects the inability of Muslims to accept the social and structural change that �modernity� requires. Muslims, in this view, fail to rise above the �closed� world of cultural traditions, and to embrace change. They shy away from, or react against the �choice� offered by modernity.

The Philosopher, Henri Bergson, writing in 1932, suggested that one reason that some intellectual societies � for which he coined the term �closed� societies � were unable to evolve into �open� societies was that religion arises as a kind of mental habit that binds human intelligence to the instinctive drive for solidarity and continuity. Some societies were simply incapable of lifting themselves above these �cultural constraints� to embrace dynamic society. Karl Popper in his �The Open Society and its Enemies� further refined Bergson to imply that �closed� societies were profoundly inimical to the idea of human freedom.


http://conflictsforum.org/2009/why-can%e2%80%99t-muslim-societies-be-more-like-a-globalised-west/#more-443

Some of you might find this an interesting read and discussion.
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

F: "I just discovered the cure for cancer!!

M: "Why are you alone in this lab without your costume?"

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In short, Islamists are re-opening an ancient debate


Thanks?
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Advanced, globalized society requires secularization. Muslims seem to have a hard time with that. It's that simple.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Advanced, globalized society requires secularization. Muslims seem to have a hard time with that. It's that simple.



How would you categorize Vatican City?
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
Fox wrote:
Advanced, globalized society requires secularization. Muslims seem to have a hard time with that. It's that simple.



How would you categorize Vatican City?


As a total non-contributor to modern society. Quite the opposite in fact, the Vatican actively harms modern society. Perhaps in more subtle ways than terrorists, but just as surely.
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Koveras



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can't you be more like me?
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is this a current event?
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Reggie



Joined: 21 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When they leave their worship service at the Seoul mosque and make their way down Hooker Hill to get on the Line 6 subway, the Muslims probably see Westerners doing so many things the Quran tells them not to do.
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who cares.

1) Don't import them
2) Don't invade them

Then we don't have to worry about them.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
Who cares.

1) Don't import them
2) Don't invade them

Then we don't have to worry about them.

x2
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koveras wrote:
Why can't you be more like me?


I agree with the spirit of this question. I don't need them to change who they are. I don't really care if women in Saudi wear their clown costumes outside. I don't care. I don't care. A million times, I don't care. Western people need to accept that inside of every obedient muslim or whoever isn't a secular, liberal minded American/Canadian/Brit who just needs some social justice to stop oppressing their women or hating the Jews etc. They are who they are. I demand nothing of them. That is, nothing more than they stay home. We should reciprocate.
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Gopher



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