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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:41 am Post subject: Why Can�t Muslim Societies Be More Like a Globalised West? |
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BEIRUT � Many commentators on Islam make the same mistake: They instinctively assume that Muslim resistance to western globalisation reflects the inability of Muslims to accept the social and structural change that �modernity� requires. Muslims, in this view, fail to rise above the �closed� world of cultural traditions, and to embrace change. They shy away from, or react against the �choice� offered by modernity.
The Philosopher, Henri Bergson, writing in 1932, suggested that one reason that some intellectual societies � for which he coined the term �closed� societies � were unable to evolve into �open� societies was that religion arises as a kind of mental habit that binds human intelligence to the instinctive drive for solidarity and continuity. Some societies were simply incapable of lifting themselves above these �cultural constraints� to embrace dynamic society. Karl Popper in his �The Open Society and its Enemies� further refined Bergson to imply that �closed� societies were profoundly inimical to the idea of human freedom.
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http://conflictsforum.org/2009/why-can%e2%80%99t-muslim-societies-be-more-like-a-globalised-west/#more-443
Some of you might find this an interesting read and discussion. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:42 am Post subject: |
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F: "I just discovered the cure for cancer!!
M: "Why are you alone in this lab without your costume?"
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| In short, Islamists are re-opening an ancient debate |
Thanks? |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| Advanced, globalized society requires secularization. Muslims seem to have a hard time with that. It's that simple. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Advanced, globalized society requires secularization. Muslims seem to have a hard time with that. It's that simple. |
How would you categorize Vatican City? |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Advanced, globalized society requires secularization. Muslims seem to have a hard time with that. It's that simple. |
How would you categorize Vatican City? |
As a total non-contributor to modern society. Quite the opposite in fact, the Vatican actively harms modern society. Perhaps in more subtle ways than terrorists, but just as surely. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| Why can't you be more like me? |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| How is this a current event? |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| When they leave their worship service at the Seoul mosque and make their way down Hooker Hill to get on the Line 6 subway, the Muslims probably see Westerners doing so many things the Quran tells them not to do. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:55 am Post subject: |
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Who cares.
1) Don't import them
2) Don't invade them
Then we don't have to worry about them. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
Who cares.
1) Don't import them
2) Don't invade them
Then we don't have to worry about them. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| Why can't you be more like me? |
I agree with the spirit of this question. I don't need them to change who they are. I don't really care if women in Saudi wear their clown costumes outside. I don't care. I don't care. A million times, I don't care. Western people need to accept that inside of every obedient muslim or whoever isn't a secular, liberal minded American/Canadian/Brit who just needs some social justice to stop oppressing their women or hating the Jews etc. They are who they are. I demand nothing of them. That is, nothing more than they stay home. We should reciprocate. |
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Gopher

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