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been_that_done_there



Joined: 19 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:00 pm    Post subject: Do they expect miracles? Reply with quote

When I got to my school, my instructions were this: "Teach the children to speak English". I have no textbooks, resources or curriculum. But what makes this even more bizarre is that I see my classes once a week for 50 minutes. That means less than 4 hours a month which is the equivalent of 48 hours a year (48 hours = 2 days). So they want me to teach these unskilled high school kids to speak English in approximately 2 days spread out over a year. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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asams



Joined: 17 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a word: YES.
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This post is so FOB, I don't even know what to say.
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diver



Joined: 16 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no Picasso wrote:
This post is so FOB, I don't even know what to say.


FOB?
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diver wrote:
I'm no Picasso wrote:
This post is so FOB, I don't even know what to say.


FOB?


Fresh off the boat.
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asams



Joined: 17 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no Picasso wrote:
diver wrote:
I'm no Picasso wrote:
This post is so FOB, I don't even know what to say.


FOB?


Fresh off the boat.



I figured it meant 'Full of Bull'
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seoulsucker



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know exactly where you're coming from.

Ask your English director (or the head teacher) if it would be possible for you to teach the dialogue section that is usually found at the beginning of each week's chapter of their (horrible) textbooks.

There's usually some sort of theme (giving directions, national heroes, taking a trip, etc.) that can be used as a foundation for a solid ESL lesson. Add some vocabulary, do a short powerpoint presentation, print up a worksheet, and you'll be seen as the second coming.

As an educator it sucks to know you'll have absolutely zero impact on their language ability, but put forth some effort and you'll find a couple of kids that will really shine.

If you're really the "How can I reach these kiiiiiiiiiiiiiids?" type, ask the director if you can form a "Sarang-ban" or "Love Class" in which you can recruit the top dozen or so English speakers from all your grades/classes and have a once or twice a week class that really pushes them.
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beercanman



Joined: 16 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If after one year the average student can say things like "My name is____. I am ____ years old. I go to ____ school. I have ___ brothers/sisters. My birthday is ____. Today is (November 1Cool. The weather is ____"

Consider that success.
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eIn07912



Joined: 06 Dec 2008
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, the reason you find this frustrating, is because you think you're actually supposed to teach them English. When this country was built on the concept of "face."

So, in fact, you're supposed to teach them to make it appear that they have learned English. If you see your kids that little, just have them memorize a few sentences, work on their handwriting a little, and that'll be enough.

English, for Koreans, has no practical use. It's just a kind of "look good" measure. 98% that learn it, will never use it in their daily life. English is just as practical here as Portuguese is in the States. Those that absolutely need to learn it for their jobs, will.
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diver



Joined: 16 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eIn07912 wrote:
Those that absolutely need to learn it for their jobs, will.


Let's not jump to conclusions Smile
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mc_jc



Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do people complain when there are no books or curriculum- it means you could be more creative in your lessons.
When I was an ESL teacher back in the late-90's/early-2000's, there were some places where I would walk in and only be given a workbook. It took me about 6 months to realize the potential creativity in the situation.
I made my own lesson plans, materials, lesson goals, etc. In the end, not only did I feel confident that I could teach in almost any setting, but that my students were actually learning something.

Take a step back and see how you could use the situation.

Also, it would help to get some feedback from more experienced teachers through such groups as KoTESOL and such.
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mysterious700



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to an English Bookstore or a large bookstore in Seoul with an English section. You can buy a picture dictionary and maybe some flash cards too, if you're doing elementary. Use the dictionary to come up with ideas and then teach the students some vocabulary words from these. Later ask questions and get them to answer you. You can also use wikipedia or google imagese for some pictures on these topics and ask the students some questions about it. Towards the end, the students can practice speaking to each other. Fairly easy. Just make sure the coteacher actually disciplines and controls the students. New teachers and substitutes tend to be the worst for this.
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Underwaterbob



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diver wrote:
eIn07912 wrote:
Those that absolutely need to learn it for their jobs, will.


Let's not jump to conclusions Smile


No kidding. Would it kill them to put an English speaker in the immigration office in Cheongju that serves the entire province?
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nosmallplans



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: noksapyeong

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no Picasso wrote:
diver wrote:
I'm no Picasso wrote:
This post is so FOB, I don't even know what to say.


FOB?


Fresh off the boat.


Nope. Wrong.

Fresh Off the 비행기.
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tiger fancini



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diver wrote:
eIn07912 wrote:
Those that absolutely need to learn it for their jobs, will.


Let's not jump to conclusions Smile


Lol, so true. I always tell my adult students that just 20 hours of class a month will NOT be enough for them to achieve their goal. They always tell me, "I want English speaking very well." After pointing out the shortcomings in that particular sentence, I go on to tell them that speaking good English requires a similar effort to obtaining a high skill in playing a musical instrument. In short, lots and lots of daily speaking practice.
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