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In all seriousness, we may see the North collapse soon
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:19 am    Post subject: In all seriousness, we may see the North collapse soon Reply with quote

Currency revamp causing people to openly dis the gov't:
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/12/03/2009120300331.html


Army seizes control of economy:
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/11/04/2009110400746.html


Economy was said to be on brink back in August:

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/08/04/2009080400257.html
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hoopslam



Joined: 19 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all seriousness, the North has been on the brink of collapse for the last few decades.

For the sake of all the struggling people up there, I hope change comes soon.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kim Jong-Il's son kind of looks like that swimmer that won a gold medal in Beijing.

Anyways, I've always thought a collapse would happen suddenly. Not in the drawn out idealist way that Kim Dae-Jung and Roh Mu-Hyun were hoping. So who knows? Hopefully in the upcoming months and hopefully those China skeptics will be wrong and China won't make North Korea their new province.
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redaxe



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems like we can expect Kim Jong Il to step down in the near future, the question is whether the government can survive the transition to his son's leadership.

As always, China is playing the enabler by giving the Norks free coal and oil, and a steady supply of foreign currency in exchange for their minerals.
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jhuntingtonus



Joined: 09 Dec 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope so.
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morrisonhotel



Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they can hold off until I've had my holiday there later in the year that would be just grand.

In all seriousness, it's so difficult to see what will happen when Kim Jong-Il does die. I predict a struggle for power between his 3 sons. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Interesting article from today: http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/12/09/2009120900263.html
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I believed everything the Chosun Ilbo wrote, I'd have expected the North to collapse years ago.
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Dear Leader really has pancreatic cancer, he will be dead in months and it already has been a few months since the announcement. Very soon somthing may happen.
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Manner of Speaking



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, when the Berlin Wall came down, I was shocked because I grew up under the perception that the Eastern Bloc as much more monolithic than it turned out to really be. Even with perestroika.

Maybe the same is true about North Korea:

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/12/15/2009121500361.html
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be North Korean adjummas that will bring the collapse.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking wrote:
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/12/15/2009121500361.html

My fav line from that:
Quote:
12 "masterminds" were summarily executed, with authorities on heightened alert for mass defections

in other words, shoot on sight the protest leaders
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nautilus



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the end of the day...the north korean people don't have the power to do anything about it.
it would take outside intervention to bring change. And nobody cares enough.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No way China would let it happen. North Korean refugees aren't going to flee to the South through the minefields, razor wire fences, and machine guns at the DMZ. Where do you think all those people will go when the North Collapses. Thats right, straight into China.

China does not want thousands of North Koreans flooding their border.

Also, in the event of a North Korean collapse, South Korea would gain control of the North. Guess what country will be there to lend a hand? The US. China does NOT want US power/influence right at their backdoor.

Its hard to keep a communist government when you have a properous, success Democratic government right next you. North Korea is a nice buffer between South Korea/Japan and China.
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*beep* China. North Korea should be Korean. Not a buffer state. South Koreans have a real workable government with some accountabality to its citizens. The north should eventually be joined to the south.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

young_clinton wrote:
*beep* China. North Korea should be Korean. Not a buffer state. South Koreans have a real workable government with some accountabality to its citizens. The north should eventually be joined to the south.


I personally have no doubt that North Korea will eventually be joined by the south. Question is when, how and how long the chaos will be between no government and bringing the country under control.
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