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raewon
Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:12 pm Post subject: as much as (grammar question) |
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Happy New Year everyone.
I need to know if the following structures are grammatically correct or not:
1. He ate cake as much as possible.
2. He ate cake as much as he could.
I'd say "He ate cake as often as possible." and
"He ate cake as often as he could."
I'd also say, "He ate as much cake as possible." and "He ate as much cake as he could."
Michael Swan says "As much/many can be used without a following noun."
He gives the following examples:
"I ate as much as I wanted." and "Rest as much as possible." Of course both of these sound natural to me, but they don't really support my original sentences above.
What do you think?
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frankly speaking
Joined: 23 Oct 2005
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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placing the object "cake" would make more sense after as much.
He ate as much cake as possible.
He ate as much cake as he could.
He worked as many hours as he could. |
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raewon
Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for your reply. I totally agree. But I need to know whether or not
1. He ate cake as much as possible.
2. He ate cake as much as he could.
are wrong or not. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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raewon wrote: |
Thanks for your reply. I totally agree. But I need to know whether or not
1. He ate cake as much as possible.
2. He ate cake as much as he could.
are wrong or not. |
They are both incorrect.
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"He ate cake as often as possible."
"He ate cake as often as he could."
"He ate as much cake as possible."
"He ate as much cake as he could." |
These four are all correct. |
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The Cosmic Hum

Joined: 09 May 2003 Location: Sonic Space
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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raewon wrote: |
Thanks for your reply. I totally agree. But I need to know whether or not
1. He ate cake as much as possible.
2. He ate cake as much as he could.
are wrong or not. |
You are asking a very specific question here.
Semantically, the sentences are misleading, and on that basis alone, could be said to be prescriptively wrong.
Using 'much' is ambiguous with 'cake' in object position. Does much refer to the quantity of cake eaten, or the number of times cake was eaten?
I believe you answered your own question in the original OP with your correct interpretations...nicely done.
If you need a specific right or wrong...then wrong.
But I feel there could be descriptive uses that will show that construction has uses...though I don't think with an object in that position. |
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Reise-ohne-Ende
Joined: 07 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:24 am Post subject: |
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I have a feeling the "He ate cake as much as possible" construction is perfectly acceptable in some descriptive contexts...but only in situations where "as often as possible" sounds too stilted or formal. Prescriptively, and for ESL learners, there's no reason they should be learning that form. Then again, if someone wrote that on a test, I probably wouldn't correct it unless they were at a very very high level of ESL. |
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maingman
Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Location: left Korea
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