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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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 Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: Korean teens communicate in "rude code" swearing |
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http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/01/16/2010011600221.html
I believe it. Kids are a bunch of potty-mouths these days.
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Korean teenagers are developing their own language of slang and cyber jargon. In a recent survey of 512 teachers nationwide by the Korea Federation of Teachers' Association in October, 75 percent of respondents said slang and four-letter words make up half of the sentences students speak. Some 20 percent said that slang and swearwords are up to 70 percent of conversations between students... |
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Xuanzang
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Considering my elementary school kids are in love with the Chinese symbol for concave up and minor Korean swear words. Doesn't surprise me one bit. |
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sulperman
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Schools here have ABSOLUTELY no standards when it comes to swearing in class. Not to sound like an old man, but when I was in school if you said one bad word you were out to the principal's office, and if you did it consistently you were in serious trouble.
But here kids will swear all class long in Korean and English and the teachers ALL seem completely oblivious. Not just the mild bad words, but all the worst stuff. Even my youngest (27 or so) Korean coworker doesn't seem to know 1/10th as many Korean swears as I do. Either that or, like all the other teachers, she just doesn't care.
Is it possible to be that oblivious? Or are all my coworkers afraid of actually having to discipline kids?
Very strange. |
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aishiii
Joined: 24 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| sulperman wrote: |
Or are all my coworkers afraid of actually having to discipline kids?
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This. It's more trouble for them than it's worth.
Back home if a kid is swearing in class and little Bobby comes home and tells his folks about it, they are going to phone the school and rip the teacher a new one. But here nobody cares. Getting a good job and making good money is all that matters and other things like ethics, morals, character, manners, etc. have no importance. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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How old are you guys? Students swear all the time, in every country. If there was one thing that was 100% universal, kids swearing is it.
I finished high school in the mid-90's in Canada and swearing was very common. As long as it wasn't directed towards a teacher they didn't really care.
The students here swear to each other, but I've rarely hear it directed towards a teacher when the teacher was present. The one case, I witnessed, a boy swore at an older female teacher. Just say that that teacher gave him a black eye and the kid's mother was crying and apologizing to the teacher at the end of the day. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| aishiii wrote: |
| Getting a good job and making good money is all that matters and other things like ethics, morals, character, manners, etc. have no importance. |
Judging from your posts I can see why you think that. |
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kinerry
Joined: 01 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| aishiii wrote: |
| Getting a good job and making good money is all that matters and other things like ethics, morals, character, manners, etc. have no importance. |
Judging from your posts I can see why you think that. |
Hate to break this to you, but that's the truth everywhere, you can't change human nature (well, not without a few million years of evolution). |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| kinerry wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| aishiii wrote: |
| Getting a good job and making good money is all that matters and other things like ethics, morals, character, manners, etc. have no importance. |
Judging from your posts I can see why you think that. |
Hate to break this to you, but that's the truth everywhere, you can't change human nature (well, not without a few million years of evolution). |
Hate to break this to you...but not everyone thinks like that. And you should be quoting aishiii...he was the one that said this specifically applied to Koreans. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| aishiii wrote: |
| sulperman wrote: |
Or are all my coworkers afraid of actually having to discipline kids?
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This. It's more trouble for them than it's worth.
Back home if a kid is swearing in class and little Bobby comes home and tells his folks about it, they are going to phone the school and rip the teacher a new one. But here nobody cares. Getting a good job and making good money is all that matters and other things like ethics, morals, character, manners, etc. have no importance. |
I went to school with a lot of people that said just that. No matter what I told them. Most of em make 5-8x more than me even if you factor living expenses and low taxes. But, they're all miserable.
Money can't buy everything. When you get older, you'll figure that out. |
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kinerry
Joined: 01 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| kinerry wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| aishiii wrote: |
| Getting a good job and making good money is all that matters and other things like ethics, morals, character, manners, etc. have no importance. |
Judging from your posts I can see why you think that. |
Hate to break this to you, but that's the truth everywhere, you can't change human nature (well, not without a few million years of evolution). |
Hate to break this to you...but not everyone thinks like that. And you should be quoting aishiii...he was the one that said this specifically applied to Koreans. |
Well yes, that's a given, but we can't go counting that fraction of a percent that don't.
Take a sociology class sometime. We all only have one real goal in life, and that's to pass our genetics on. All other goals are to help with the attainment of that goal. In the grand scheme of things, most of what you do doesn't really matter, and "morals, ethics, character and manners" are all really just a means to make you feel like you actually matter in the world.
Morals, ethics and character are subjective anyway, and manners...manners are about the most useless thing invented. Manners are arbitrary rules set but the upper and middle classes to keep the poor from rising the socioeconomic ladder. Most of them have no actual purpose. |
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Chambertin
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
Location: Gunsan
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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I notice kids swearing every day. To be honest listening to kids has made me regret learning the Korean I have.
If I can walk to the store without hearing one of the kids who said hello to my face saying some nasty remark to my back I'm a happy camper.
On a side note the other teachers certainly react to a distinct set of swear words and quote "cant believe the kids would use such words around an adult." Funny thing is we dont register as human, so I get to hear that every day.
The Children do get the proper discipline when they are caught at school, so that is a plus. I just wish one of the 20 adults who are in earshot of my daily ridicule would tell the kids to shut up.
I know children are the meanest creatures on the planet and that all kids use bad words whenever they can get away with it, but this is more than I have seen anywhere else. The kids make me feel like I'm a minority in 60's small town Alabama.
EDIT: fixed spelling
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sulperman
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Chambertin wrote: |
I know children are the meanest creatures on the planet and that all kids use bad words whenever they can get away with it, but this is more than I have seen anywhere else. The kids make me feel like I'm a minority in 60's small town Alabama. |
I wouldn't get your back up too much. Unless you are extremely fat I seriously doubt that kids on the street are swearing at you. Ask somebody you know who speaks Korean well- I guarantee you they have never had that happen. I'm not saying they aren't swearing at each other, but I wouldn't worry about it being directed at you.
I could see people disagreeing with me on this, but I bet they don't speak Korean at all. |
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Chambertin
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
Location: Gunsan
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| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:05 am Post subject: |
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I speak Korean well enough to answer the phone at work (which I often pass as no one wants to talk to me anyway.) and go out and do daily activities without relying on English.
I'm not bragging it's basic, and I have a Long way to go, but it�s not a simple misunderstanding of target for the bad words spoken.
The favorite is baldy, which I can understand is not that bad (and true), but when every frikin kid that sees you starts chanting it, it gets old. Also they don�t dare do it to any of the bald Koreans. My problem is that papbagi is about the same as chanting dickhead at someone culturally. They aren�t saying "look a bald foreigner" they are saying "dickhead foreigner is bald."
And those are the nice kids.
I hear �invalid� in Korean at least once a week. Interesting though, that invalid or disabled person has become the worst swear word you can use. That alone speaks volumes about the culture. The favorite one they use on each other is �grandfather�, again speaks volumes about the truth in social priorities.
I know in the US a kid or two will say �hello baldy� or something other but baldy isn�t a culturally vile word and its not something that many kids have the courage to do.
To have a Korean friend tell me what�s going on. Doubt that will happen, I have had a few friends tell me a flat out lie to save cultural face when I ask what did that guy just say. Then again, even as a friend I am looked at more as a commodity than a person.
Again, don�t take this post too far. I am happy here and have some good friends I trust, but would you be willing to tell your good friend that some American just called him or her a �stupid asshat zipperhead�?
I�m just amazed at how accepting the culture is of children being such schmuks. That�s the future of Korea they �care� so much about running around being complete jerks.
EDIT: just so you know I am 189cm and about 87kg, so tall and skinny. No diformities, or unusual things other than being really tall, skinny and bald. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| I correct their English pronunciation to "mother-father" - and they think it's pretty funny ... |
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kberger
Joined: 22 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:30 am Post subject: |
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At my hagwon, it's the youngest kids (~7 year olds) who love to swear and use the middle finger.
There is a story in their book that they read where someone catches a cold. One line in the story is "He shivered." I was very new, but I could tell there was something about this word "shiver" that they liked.
I am disappointed in my Sisa dictionary for telling me that "shibar" means "the first departure (of a train)" |
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