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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:54 am Post subject: Oops! Those pirates just didn't make it to shore. |
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Russia says freed pirates didn't reach land
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MOSCOW � A Russian official claimed Tuesday that 10 pirates seized by Russian special forces aboard an oil tanker last week were quickly freed but then died on their way back to the Somali coast.
The unidentified high-ranking Defense Ministry official did not elaborate on how the pirates died, deepening a mystery that has prompted speculation the pirates were executed by commandos who had freed a Russian oil tanker seized in waters 500 miles (800 kilometers) east of Somalia's coast.
The official told Russian news agencies the pirates' boat disappeared from Russian radar about an hour after their release.
"They could not reach the coast and, apparently, have all died," the official said. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100511/ap_on_bi_ge/piracy |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 8:49 am Post subject: |
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What happens on the pirate coast stays on the pirate coast.
It's like Vegas, except instead of Poker there's piracy, and instead of Roulette there're Russians powning your arse.
Probably vodka'd to death... |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Russians ... roulette ... loaded guns ... .38 special ... high stakes poker ... high risk of death ... put a little excitement in your life ... piracy |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 11:21 am Post subject: |
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ontheway wrote: |
Russians ... roulette ... loaded guns ... .38 special ... high stakes poker ... high risk of death ... put a little excitement in your life ... piracy |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 11:30 am Post subject: |
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I guess they'll be staying away from Russian ships from now on. No payoffs, just a bullet to the back of the head. I believe the Chinese do something similar.
What does Korea do when their ships are hijacked? |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:35 am Post subject: |
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I love the way that the Russians handle situations like this. They don't give a crap about being PC. They don't care about violating a criminal's rights. They don't have lawyers running up to protect the poor, innocent pirates. I love the whole "imperfection in the law" and that they were "released." Finally, a country that has some balls. The only way you deal with witless, brain dead morons that want to harm you is to hit them even harder. And now there are 10 less such "people" in the world. Too bad we can't recruite some Russians to "release" some hagwon owners. That would be cool.
What does Korea do? Oh, they pay the ransom and help encourage future behavior. Yeah, real smart there, Korea. Keep paying that ransom. I know that if I saw a Korean ship out there, that would be my number 1 target. Even moreso that a French ship. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:42 am Post subject: |
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Wishmaster wrote: |
They don't give a crap about being PC. They don't care about violating a criminal's rights. They don't have lawyers running up to protect the poor, innocent pirates. |
Political correctness is not the application of due process and individual rights in criminal law. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Wishmaster wrote: |
Too bad we can't recruite some Russians to "release" some hagwon owners. That would be cool.
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And here you go again advocating the murder of certain citizens of a country you live in. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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mises wrote: |
Wishmaster wrote: |
They don't give a crap about being PC. They don't care about violating a criminal's rights. They don't have lawyers running up to protect the poor, innocent pirates. |
Political correctness is not the application of due process and individual rights in criminal law. |
There are no laws in that part of the ocean. That's why no one knows wtf to do when they capture the pirates. Russia found an effective option |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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It's frontier justice, baby. Those pirates would have faced much more terrifying fates a century ago. Getting Vodka'd to death in Las Piratas is a pretty good gig, if you ask me.
After all, no one made them walk the plank. They made the conscious decision to commit a capital offense.
Let them eat lead!  |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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State-sanctioned murder.
Victimisation of third world people,- they matter a lot less than anyone else I guess. particularly when their nation has no government. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 3:48 am Post subject: |
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If the Russians were confident in their right to kill the pirates, they would have done it in full view of third parties, or at the very least, they wouldn't have lied about it.
And yes, the first time I heard this news, I snickered, too. But then I thought about it a little bit. And I realized that very natural reaction shouldn't prevent suspicion about the incident. |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 9:31 am Post subject: |
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I take it back. Replace "hagwon owners" with "apologists." More palatable?
Oh, and the "victimisation" of 3rd world people should be amended to 3rd world criminals. World of difference there. Like the Russians, I'm not into the whole PC, feel good about everyone mentality. I hope the Russians do it many, many more times and I hope that some other countries will actually show a little intestinal fortitude when dealing with pirate scum. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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djsmnc wrote: |
mises wrote: |
Wishmaster wrote: |
They don't give a crap about being PC. They don't care about violating a criminal's rights. They don't have lawyers running up to protect the poor, innocent pirates. |
Political correctness is not the application of due process and individual rights in criminal law. |
There are no laws in that part of the ocean. That's why no one knows wtf to do when they capture the pirates. Russia found an effective option |
So, if we can justify the Russians' actions with the "no laws on the high seas" rationale, can we justify the pirates' actions in the same way? No law means no law. |
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wintermute
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote: |
djsmnc wrote: |
mises wrote: |
Wishmaster wrote: |
They don't give a crap about being PC. They don't care about violating a criminal's rights. They don't have lawyers running up to protect the poor, innocent pirates. |
Political correctness is not the application of due process and individual rights in criminal law. |
There are no laws in that part of the ocean. That's why no one knows wtf to do when they capture the pirates. Russia found an effective option |
So, if we can justify the Russians' actions with the "no laws on the high seas" rationale, can we justify the pirates' actions in the same way? No law means no law. |
Ooh. That argument make my brain hurt.
To the advocates of no-nonsense, summary justice: Is that solely the prerogative of the state, or can any group or individual indulge in a bit of frontier justice if a "crime" has been committed against them? |
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