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| What results are you hoping for in regards to S. Korea this WC? |
| I hope they win the whole thing! |
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| I hope they make it past group play, but I'm not cheering for them to win the whole thing. |
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| I hope they lose every match they play. |
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| I don't care too much, as long as they lose at least one match on a "controversial" call. The Korean netizens are much more entertaining than their soccer team. |
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| Meh. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Don't even get me started about the moon landing! lol
It was more than 'a few bad calls' and a lot of people around the world saw that too. Only those blinded by their love of Korea failed to see it.
Hey Homer, if it wasn't a Korean team committing all those blatant fouls would you still dismiss it so easily? You need to take off the apologist hat sometimes.
I'm not 100% convinced it was fixed but I have my suspicions. Corruption, dishonesty and fraud is so rife in almost all aspects of Korean society that the possibility of match fixing cannot be so quickly dismissed. I refer you back to the Roy Jones Jr affair, where it turns out the judges were wined and dined by Korean officials.
Also, football is sadly not a game without it's share of scandal. Just look at the Juventus case a few years ago, or the Premiership match fixing cases. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| It's always the losing side that complain about anything. Should hear some of my friends when their favorite hockey team loses. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Discrete, Oriental ways? Please elaborate on this because it sounds rather intriguing as I am also oriental (do people still use that term?). ) |
I still use Oriental to describe cultures, countries, peoples from Japan, Korea and China, i.e., the Far East. This is British language usuage, and it isn't considered offensive. Although I see the use has dwindled in USA English. You can read more about it here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient
By Discrete Oriental ways, I mean the way Oriental people interact indirectly , especially with Westerners. That is, when you offend them, they may not necessarily tell you to your face (everyone loses face then), but they will continue to smile to ensure group harmony is maintained (at that moment). However, if you have really annoyed them, they will discretely muck you about and use passive aggressive non-confrontational strategies to either a) let you know you've offended them, or b) to seek revenge.
Anyone who's taught in Korea for a while has come across this Discrete Oriental way of interaction. It is completely opposite of Western notions of direct, confrontational behavior. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Greekfreak wrote: |
In any event, I said it in 2006, so I will say it again; if Korea wins, I hope it's cleanly because it's a country that needs less controversy; not more. |
Korea could win every game cleanly and there would still be people on here screaming about bribery and match-fixing. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
Don't even get me started about the moon landing! lol
It was more than 'a few bad calls' and a lot of people around the world saw that too. Only those blinded by their love of Korea failed to see it.
Hey Homer, if it wasn't a Korean team committing all those blatant fouls would you still dismiss it so easily? You need to take off the apologist hat sometimes.
I'm not 100% convinced it was fixed but I have my suspicions. Corruption, dishonesty and fraud is so rife in almost all aspects of Korean society that the possibility of match fixing cannot be so quickly dismissed. I refer you back to the Roy Jones Jr affair, where it turns out the judges were wined and dined by Korean officials.
Also, football is sadly not a game without it's share of scandal. Just look at the Juventus case a few years ago, or the Premiership match fixing cases. |
I saw the calls, they were questionable to bad...but as a sane person I accept that these calls happen in every world cup.
Case in point: in 2006 I sure did not go froathing at the mouth when Switzerland scored their 2nd goal against Korea. The call was said to have been bad, I was not sure...it happens.
Same thing with Ireland vs France in qualifiers, clear handball by Henry, FIFA does nothing, Ireland sees their hopes of qualification vanish..again bad call...no need to go nuts.
I am not one to believe in match fixing because frankly speaking people assume it is far easier that it would actually be. Do you realize how many people would need to be involved? How long do you think such a secret would hold? How many people in the game itself would need to paid off to fix a game?
Bad calls are bad calls....thats it for me.
The amusing thing cj is not what I say (they are bad calls) it is the obsession of some about those 2002 games....get over it, bad calls happen...or keep obsessing over it, it remains amusing to see you go nuts about it.
It is easy to cry conspiracy but kind hard to prove when you actually look at the facts...
Personnally I intend to enjoy this WC. My wife being Korean we will cheer them on. I am also behind England as I like their team. I would also like to see the US do well.
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| Fair enough, but it's a bit sad that Koreans think their progress in that tournament was purely down to merit. Had the tournament been in any other country, I don't think they would have made it to the semis. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| Fair enough, but it's a bit sad that Koreans think their progress in that tournament was purely down to merit. Had the tournament been in any other country, I don't think they would have made it to the semis. |
Hosts typically do well indeed. Fan support goes a long way indeed. I wonder if it will carry South Africa in this Cup.... |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Hahaha that's amazing! Seriously though, you must be careful of the funny comments regarding Korea. I told my class yesterday Korea is only "so-so" and they all refused to speak to me for the rest of the day.... they would have rather me said that Korea is going to win it, they are the best side (and lied to them in the process) than tell them the truth.... that Korea is an average side at best, and have their work cut out for them to reach the next round. |
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I'd be careful with the banter. Koreans don't get that sort of humor, at all.
During the last World Cup, some hagwon students asked me who was going to win: Switzerland or Korea? I, naievly, said: "Switzerland, because I used to have a beautiful blonde Swiss girl friend." Wow. The kids cancelled the class and didn't come back to the hagwon for 6 months! |
How old are your students? My adult students LOVE the banter and ribbing. If Man.Utd lose, I give them plenty of grief. If my team lose, they reciprocate. I find adult Korean football fans pretty similar to British football fans in this respect. |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:35 am Post subject: |
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