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Info about theJune 26th "Obligatory" Seminar
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charliebrown84



Joined: 29 Jul 2009
Location: Daegu, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:44 am    Post subject: Info about theJune 26th "Obligatory" Seminar Reply with quote

Here's a link to a blog that debunks the true nature of this so-called seminar that all hagwons teachers are required to attend in Daegu and possibly other cities:

http://scroozle.blogspot.com/2010/06/and-thus-it-begins.html

Basically, the blogger explains that the seminar is going to be used as an ambush to make us dirty foreigners ashamed that some of our brethren are rapists and pedophiles.

Whether or not this blog is 100% factual and legitimate is unknown to me, but at least its worth something to think about and discuss.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:58 am    Post subject: Re: Info about theJune 26th "Obligatory" Seminar Reply with quote

charliebrown84 wrote:
Basically, the blogger explains that the seminar is going to be used as an ambush to make us dirty foreigners ashamed that some of our brethren are rapists and pedophiles.


Everyone attending should wear Virginia Tech T-shirts. For added effect, have "I AM NOT DAVID NAM" printed on the back in Korean. If you really want to have fun with it, have one of the following slogans instead:

  • I didn't forge my degree in art.
  • I'm not a hagweon owner--I do honor my obligations.
  • I've never taken a bribe. Guess that means I'm not in the 국회!
  • My degree is from the US. It's recognized everywhere. What about yours?


Feel free to add to the list. Of course, all of these should be in Korean.
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The seminar in Seoul on the 19th was brought up on a few threads last week. But, when bumping them up to try and get information about what they talked about, nobody responded. I don't know if there's any evidence to suggest these seminars will be about dirty foreigners and sex crimes, but then again I guess you can't put anything past hagwon operators. There has already been sessions in Jeonju and Seoul, but nobody who attended has talked about what happened.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want to discuss if hypothetically this seminar is going to be used to trash foreigners?

How about you go first and see what the subject matter is, and if it is then you can discuss it.

Crazy idea I know.

Also this whole "koreans think we are demons" indignation is getting a little old. Some teachers come here to drink, party, have sex with Korean girls, and some are quilty of molesting students etc.

This happens in every country when minority groups come to the country and start breaking laws.

In my country they are ticked off at Asians for all of the Asian street gangs.

They don't want ALL of us out, but they sure want the less than desirable, and many of the illegal ones who they can't regulate out, just like people in any country would.
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banjois



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The topic at the Seoul seminar was actually how to spot signs of abuse in kids and where to report it (and was probably the most informative part of the whole thing). No demonization of foreign teachers involved.

That being said, what a waste of a morning.
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oskinny1



Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoulio wrote:


This happens in every country when minority groups come to the country and start breaking laws.

In my country they are ticked off at Asians for all of the Asian street gangs.

They don't want ALL of us out, but they sure want the less than desirable, and many of the illegal ones who they can't regulate out, just like people in any country would.


The problem is that we aren't forming street gangs and committing crimes. There are a few idiots here, but by no means are foreigners committing any more crimes than Koreans. Also, it is not foreigners that have been arrested for molesting children or beating children or taking bribes or covering up for a principal that was molesting students and then getting a promotion after said cover-up.

I see what you are saying, but there is just no proof that foreigners are committing crimes at a higher rate than Koreans(other then drugs possibly, not that that is a good thing).
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oskinny1 wrote:
Seoulio wrote:


This happens in every country when minority groups come to the country and start breaking laws.

In my country they are ticked off at Asians for all of the Asian street gangs.

They don't want ALL of us out, but they sure want the less than desirable, and many of the illegal ones who they can't regulate out, just like people in any country would.


The problem is that we aren't forming street gangs and committing crimes. There are a few idiots here, but by no means are foreigners committing any more crimes than Koreans. Also, it is not foreigners that have been arrested for molesting children or beating children or taking bribes or covering up for a principal that was molesting students and then getting a promotion after said cover-up.

I see what you are saying, but there is just no proof that foreigners are committing crimes at a higher rate than Koreans(other then drugs possibly, not that that is a good thing).


If ANY of us are molesting children thats a cause for concern for them. We are guests in this country and yes we will be under the public eye more than the Koreans are.

Are the Koreans doing it too, yep, more than us, yep, is it ignorant to single us out, yep

Is it fair, nope. Is it thier right to treat us this way, yep, It's their country and we are guests in it.

If I get the odd seminar thats basically insulting for the good job and benefits I enjoy from over reactins to political agendas, so be it.

I am not tryng to defend the position, I am simply saying it doesnt concern me all that much
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoulio,

The reason people are being a little flippant about it is because there have been some fairly nasty and misleading stories in the Korean media the past few years. There was even a leader of a Korean teacher's union that put out a statement which made some bold accusations.

That being said, I agree it's their country and they should be concerned. I think sometimes foreign teachers are typecast as a one size fits all though.
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Seoulio



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
Seoulio,

The reason people are being a little flippant about it is because there have been some fairly nasty and misleading stories in the Korean media the past few years. There was even a leader of a Korean teacher's union that put out a statement which made some bold accusations.

That being said, I agree it's their country and they should be concerned. I think sometimes foreign teachers are typecast as a one size fits all though.


Yeah granted, I simply call this reality.

There is no truth in the news media there is simply get it out there, get it out fast, who cares about the facts as long as its entertaining. A couple decades ago the media was actually worth a damn. NOw they can print lies, half truths, innuendos etc, pass them off as facts with impunity.

In the end we all know its a bunch of cranky cranks, most of us are law adbiding good people, and we are not likelyo to be sent out without cause
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

banjois wrote:
The topic at the Seoul seminar was actually how to spot signs of abuse in kids and where to report it (and was probably the most informative part of the whole thing). No demonization of foreign teachers involved.

That being said, what a waste of a morning.


That is a waste of a Saturday morning. I notice my school wants me to know nothing about anything of a negative nature nor tells me anything about anything nor wants my input upon anything I see. We are not here to help the Koreans with their problems and they don't want that, they just want the kids to be exposed to English and foreigners to give them skills to be comfortable dealing with foreigners in their adult lives.

Uh, why did they send foreign teachers to a seminar on how to spot signs of abuse?
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charliebrown84



Joined: 29 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it has come and pass, so I suppose I should update everyone about what happened.

I arrived about 20 minutes late, so I'm not sure what happened in the beginning. I did, however, come in time to hear the long-winded speech by immigrations going over every detail that we all pretty much knew about getting an E-2 visa. I suppose an addendum to the procedures was a note about now having to get a Korean CBC in case we do happen to be a sex offender.

The next speech was by a police officer from what precinct I can't remember. He did a pretty good job icing over the elephant in the room (e.g. the filthy foreigners being pedophiles government agenda) by saying he didn't personally believe it was necessary. He then shared a couple stories with us about crimes that happened in Korea to Korean children by Korean men (how this had to do with foreigners getting more regulations, I'm still not clear on). He also said that its not okay for us to hug the students and that Koreans only pat them on the back for encouragement.

The rest of the time was spent being drawn out by a five-minute speech about banking, an inapporpriately funny speech about the post office, and two songs by a decent band of English teachers.

Overall, I'd say it was a waste of time. I learned what I already knew, and was vaguely informed about things I didn't know about. At least its over... for now...
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Arthur Dent



Joined: 28 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
an inapporpriately funny speech about the post office,


More details please!
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charliebrown84



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Location: Daegu, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arthur Dent wrote:
Quote:
an inapporpriately funny speech about the post office,


More details please!


Nothing vulgar or innuendo-ish. It was just a bad speech performed by a guy who clearly had very little experience with English. The extent of his talking was reading the big catch-phrases off the PowerPoint presentation.

As for the PowerPoint, the funniest bit was when they showed a map of the world. Apparently England and Spain have switch positions and China is now somewhere in the region of Siberia.
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

charliebrown84 wrote:
Arthur Dent wrote:
Quote:
an inapporpriately funny speech about the post office,


More details please!


Nothing vulgar or innuendo-ish. It was just a bad speech performed by a guy who clearly had very little experience with English. The extent of his talking was reading the big catch-phrases off the PowerPoint presentation.

As for the PowerPoint, the funniest bit was when they showed a map of the world. Apparently England and Spain have switch positions and China is now somewhere in the region of Siberia.


lol
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Arthur Dent



Joined: 28 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
charliebrown84 wrote:
Arthur Dent wrote:
Quote:
an inapporpriately funny speech about the post office,


More details please!


Nothing vulgar or innuendo-ish. It was just a bad speech performed by a guy who clearly had very little experience with English. The extent of his talking was reading the big catch-phrases off the PowerPoint presentation.

As for the PowerPoint, the funniest bit was when they showed a map of the world. Apparently England and Spain have switch positions and China is now somewhere in the region of Siberia.


lol


Aishh, another example of the serious misuse of technology..... Laughing
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