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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| Children's palates are set early on and our culture is setting them in the wrong way. |
Oh man, I was raised in a three squares a day don't eat that you'll ruin your appetite MORE VEGGIES house and my palate would be thrilled with candy candy cake and pie all day every day. I don't eat like that, but I'd like it.
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| Also, we're spending too much time at work to prepare good food. |
It's true that if my mom were still cooking for me I'd eat healthy without complaint though. Eating good healthy food is a nuisance. |
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sarahsiobhan
Joined: 24 May 2009 Location: Wherever I am , I am probably drinking tea.
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:21 am Post subject: |
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Also, we're spending too much time at work to prepare good food. |
I cannot disagree with this more.
Working a lot should have nothing at all to do with choosing to cook healthy food at home. If you work late and come home and instead of making a turkey sandwich with the leftover pan-broiled turkey breast from last night's healthy dinner and instead eat a giant bag of chips, well, that's a choice. I have nothing but contempt for people who insist they are too busy too cook. Too bloody lazy to cook is more accurate. Any decent cook (and I am a good way more than 'decent') knows that the basics are easy to learn and take very little time. I can make a cobb salad in 10 minutes, fajitas in 15, I can make pizza with a wrap as the base in 20, Bolognese sauce in 40 and a full-on, from scratch (pasta included) lasagna in 60. It's not that difficult.
Even worse is when people say, "Oh, I just can't cook!" and then laugh as though it's an amusing character trait. I just want to say "So, are you illiterate? Or do you not possess arms?" Why do people think that being unable to follow simple instructions is endearing? And if you really are terrible at cooking, it just means you don't do it enough. Cooking is easy; practice!
And frankly, even if people are super-busy etc. (which I really don't buy,it's all about priorities) who wouldn't want to make the healthy choice, do a bit more work, and be so much healthier in the long run? It boggles the mind that people don't realize this and act on it.
Okay, rant over.
ps-Privateer, this is not directed at you, I just needed a focus. I am against the whole attitude of 'too busy too cook', not you personally. |
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El Macho
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:24 am Post subject: |
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It's amazing that some people need motivation to learn how to cook other than "The stuff I'm eating makes me fat and makes me feel sick". One of the things that motivated me was my friends and I getting together for weekly meals. We would take it in turn to cook for the group.
At first the meals were simple things (Breakfast For Dinner!), but as we started cooking better and better meals for each other a competitive element emerged and we all began to take cooking quite seriously and wanting to "practice".
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I have nothing but contempt for people who insist they are too busy too cook. Too bloody lazy to cook is more accurate.
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Even worse is when people say, "Oh, I just can't cook!" and then laugh as though it's an amusing character trait. I just want to say "So, are you illiterate? Or do you not possess arms?" Why do people think that being unable to follow simple instructions is endearing? And if you really are terrible at cooking, it just means you don't do it enough. Cooking is easy; practice! |
I absolutely agree with this. People who choose not to cook then complain about diet-related health problems or not having any money (because they always eat out) receive no sympathy from me whatsoever.
My mother cooked for us and I wound up not knowing how to cook. After a semester at college eating garbage, gaining weight, and generally feeling like trash, I taught myself to cook. I lost the weight, felt better, and now look back on my non-cooking self with shame. |
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NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| sarahsiobhan wrote: |
| Privateer wrote: |
Also, we're spending too much time at work to prepare good food. |
I cannot disagree with this more.
Working a lot should have nothing at all to do with choosing to cook healthy food at home. If you work late and come home and instead of making a turkey sandwich with the leftover pan-broiled turkey breast from last night's healthy dinner and instead eat a giant bag of chips, well, that's a choice. I have nothing but contempt for people who insist they are too busy too cook. Too bloody lazy to cook is more accurate. Any decent cook (and I am a good way more than 'decent') knows that the basics are easy to learn and take very little time. I can make a cobb salad in 10 minutes, fajitas in 15, I can make pizza with a wrap as the base in 20, Bolognese sauce in 40 and a full-on, from scratch (pasta included) lasagna in 60. It's not that difficult.
Even worse is when people say, "Oh, I just can't cook!" and then laugh as though it's an amusing character trait. I just want to say "So, are you illiterate? Or do you not possess arms?" Why do people think that being unable to follow simple instructions is endearing? And if you really are terrible at cooking, it just means you don't do it enough. Cooking is easy; practice!
And frankly, even if people are super-busy etc. (which I really don't buy,it's all about priorities) who wouldn't want to make the healthy choice, do a bit more work, and be so much healthier in the long run? It boggles the mind that people don't realize this and act on it.
Okay, rant over.
ps-Privateer, this is not directed at you, I just needed a focus. I am against the whole attitude of 'too busy too cook', not you personally. |
Agreed! Besides, even someone with no kitchen skills can buy a crock pot and make stew. My roomate in uni lived off of crock pot food for 2 years, until I finally taught him how to bake! |
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Slowmotion
Joined: 15 Aug 2009
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| The percentage of GEPIK female teacherts that are obese: 50% I'd say |
Oh no, he's taking it back there! This is gonna cause a poopstorm. |
lol has this already been discussed many times? |
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DorkothyParker

Joined: 11 Apr 2009 Location: Jeju
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:54 am Post subject: |
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I can't cook, so I married a man who can. I would learn to cook but really it would frustrate my husband so I shan't bother.
I may never be as fit as NYCGal (as I envision her anyway) but I am well within healthy ranges in every way and am not overweight according to my BMI (and yes, I know BMI doesn't apply to muscular men, but it works fairly well for regular women).
What's my diet? I eat what I want, when I am hungry and stop before I am full. I have been known to sneak in a candy bar once or twice a month and the occasional icecream cone as well.
You don't need to be a health nut, you don't need crazy unattainable goals. And let's face it, eating organic, farm raised, blah blah blah is so upper middle class that we mere proles cannot aspire to it (plus it's bourgeois anyway) . But we can eat real butter (not margarine) and eggs and whatever raw meat and fresh veggies that are on sale.
Also, cars are for losers. Bikes + public transit ftw. (I have never owned a car in all my 27 years and no, it was not a convenient way to live at all in podunk Idaho but I managed because I am cheap).
Let's stop with this eat healthy or die mindset and get back to an "all things in moderation" way of living.
<3 Dorkothy "Shanghai Spice + diet coke" Parker |
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NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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I can't cook, so I married a man who can. I would learn to cook but really it would frustrate my husband so I shan't bother.
I may never be as fit as NYCGal (as I envision her anyway) but I am well within healthy ranges in every way and am not overweight according to my BMI (and yes, I know BMI doesn't apply to muscular men, but it works fairly well for regular women).
What's my diet? I eat what I want, when I am hungry and stop before I am full. I have been known to sneak in a candy bar once or twice a month and the occasional icecream cone as well.
You don't need to be a health nut, you don't need crazy unattainable goals. And let's face it, eating organic, farm raised, blah blah blah is so upper middle class that we mere proles cannot aspire to it (plus it's bourgeois anyway) . But we can eat real butter (not margarine) and eggs and whatever raw meat and fresh veggies that are on sale.
Also, cars are for losers. Bikes + public transit ftw. (I have never owned a car in all my 27 years and no, it was not a convenient way to live at all in podunk Idaho but I managed because I am cheap).
Let's stop with this eat healthy or die mindset and get back to an "all things in moderation" way of living.
<3 Dorkothy "Shanghai Spice + diet coke" Parker |
I have to say that I did gain a few kilo when I moved to Korea, if only because I started eating far more carbs than I ever did back home, but fortunately I still fit into Korean sizes.
I don't think that being health aware should be upper middle. It should be the goal of everyone who cares about their health. You teach ESL. You make more than enough to spend 10-20k extra a month to buy the organic versions of things. We can't really get farm-raised here, but we can try our best. A body's inside is far more important than the outside. If you don't care about what fuels yours, that's completely your choice. |
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sarahsiobhan
Joined: 24 May 2009 Location: Wherever I am , I am probably drinking tea.
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Nice article. I like this quote:
Quick, fast, and easy isn't the point. Good is the point. Makes you feel good is the point. I am not saying spend three hours making a chicken galantine. I am saying put a chicken the oven with some cut up potatoes for an hour. Yes, a whole hour! If you're inclined to enjoy some carnal exertions with your partner during that hour, that chicken will be all the more appreciated. But if there's laundry to be done, if there are kids who need help with their geometry, then do that. (Need specifics on roasting? They're at the end of this post.) |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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A few posts back I liked the discussion about what exactly is making Americans so fat. Because when you look at people from other areas of the world, they enjoy fatty / sugary foods... yet they are nowhere near as fat as Americans in general.
I think after watching "Food Inc." I was less inclined to eat packaged foods. Many of these packaged foods contain corn syrup, and cheap fats. The type of fat and sugar in your food really matters. Some easily break down, others do not.
Large corporations like Coca-Cola, Nabisco, Mars, McDonalds... these corporations only care about making a profit. And if an unhealthy additive is cheaper than a more healthy version, then they'll use the unhealthy additive. They don't care about you or your health, only your money. I feel that although we all have a choice in what we eat, these large corporations are producing foods that don't need to be so unhealthy... I've heard that products such as Coca-Cola, Oreo cookies, fast food restaurants, have slowly changed the ingredients over the years so that their products are cheaper. But with the cheapness comes the unhealthiness.
Well, cheaper is not always better... especially for the body. I think people just need to be properly educated about what ingredients are in their foods. The corporations will change if we stop buying products which contain lethal sugars and fats. In fact, it's already started. So, there is hope for the future! |
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sallymonster

Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Location: Seattle area
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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I recently watched "Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution", an American reality show. Basically, famous chef Jamie Oliver goes around to different schools in West Virginia trying to change the school lunches to healthier, more balanced meals made from all natural ingredients.
What struck me the most when I watched this show was the fact that one of the schools actually considered french fries a vegetable. Considering that poor kids who qualify for the Free Lunch Program usually can't afford to bring their own lunches and must eat school lunch or go hungry, I find this appalling and unacceptable. No wonder childhood obesity is on the rise.
Of course, parents definitely need to be responsible about what they feed their kids, but if some kids are relying on school as the sole source for a meal a day then I think the school has some responsibility too. Jamie Oliver even showed how to make school lunch healthier without affecting the school budgets too much.
Americans' sedentary lifestyles don't help the problem either. Kids these days just sit around watching TV, playing video games, going online, etc., without getting any exercise, and their parents just sit there and let them. It doesn't help that schools cut PE when budgets get tight. It's also sad that in some areas it is unsafe for kids to play outside, and even in safer areas there's this perception among parents that it's dangerous ("Double-bolt that door!"). Although I think the safety thing is just an excuse for many people. I think if more people just used the stairs rather than the elevator, or walked short distances instead of driving them, etc., just small things like that, they would feel better and wouldn't gain the weight. |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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^ Also note that some schools in the good ole' USA classified "ketchup" as a vegetable!
I don't have any evidence to back this up, but perhaps as North America becomes a poorer nation, with less of a middle class, maybe the poorest people seem to be the ones reproducing... therefore, the working poor become the parents of the future. Parents who have neither the time or education to properly raise their children and inform their children of what to eat and what not to eat.
Luckily I come from an upper middle class family where I was afforded the opportunity to play a variety of sports (soccer, baseball, hockey, skiing), had a swimming pool in the backyard, and my parents would cook a very healthy meal every day, while limiting the amounts of junk food I was allowed.
No wonder I'm not obese today. But that could all have been very different had my parents not been smart, well-off, and had time for me. |
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DeMayonnaise
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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People spend way too much time thinking about food. If you have all sorts of rules you follow and weird dietary requirements, you probably aren't doing it right.
I grew up in a house where my parents cooked every day (both were good cooks) and made me eat everything on my plate. We never ordered delivery and rarely went out to eat for dinner. We didn't have much junk food around, and if we did it was usually cookies or brownies my mom would make. We had a big vegetable garden out back my dad would poke around in for a bit each day in the summer. Both my parents worked full time jobs yet found time to cook. It's not exactly rocket surgery to know you shouldn't eat too much junk food and eat mostly fresh foods you cook yourself...
To misquote Paul Newman...Fat people got no reason to live. If you can't even be bothered to take care of yourself and be healthy, well, you sure do have a lot of problems. |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, rocket surgery! That sounds very very complicated!
But yeah, it seems lots of people have been straying from the very basic fundamentals of life, not learning about the basic requirements of existence. Things that people didn't even have to think about before the internet, TV, etc., were invented.
Now we have computers. I really do think that lifestyle is a big aspect of what makes people fat these days. It's simple... you gotta have a balance between energy input and output. Back in the day, people didn't even think about that because they were always outputting energy. These days however, we have a whole lot of distractions on the computer, TV, and we just end up not really moving around a whole lot. |
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brickabrack
Joined: 17 May 2010
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| Humans are not fit for a meat eating diet. Period. |
This is so wrong it's stupid. Spreading pseudo-scientific lies isn't going to make your case stronger. There's plenty of legitimate reasons to be a vegetarian. Humans not being "fit for a meat eating diet," is not one of them. |
Excuse me. I phrased that poorly. Humans have evolved into tearing into other living flesh over time. I should say that in this day and age, 'fit' would work in the context. Period is a bit extreme. I am not a veg extremist. I believe there are very healthy individuals that consume a moderate amount of meat. The greatest football player of all time had a diet of chicken and rice along with occasional seafood and a variety of veggies.
I am not going to go into a debate about what is 'best' or 'the way'. Vegetarian, I am. Would I eat meat under extreme conditions? Yes. Am I in this position now? No. Is it my belief that importing product and goods from far away lands to maintain my dietary needs is essential? No?
Consciously, I care more about my carbon footprint (yes, I flew over a thousand miles and used petrol to emit CO2 and the like) than I do about my digestive tract, health and 'ego'. I try to eat as local as possible. With a bit of work, so far, it has been possible. I have slowly adjusted.
Do I feel right about eating mangos, avocados, goat cheese, cous cous and other 'foreign' goods? I try to make due with what is available in markets and my little plot of land.
Our primate 'cousins' evolved into an omnivore diet, as little meat as they consumed/consume. We, as humans, have also evolved to eat meat. I guess the main concern in all of this is....look at what they're feeding us. Feed yourself. Why haven't I been to a McD in 10 years or a Walmart in 8 or etc. etc. etc.
Do I send a little self righteous? I suppose. I'm not telling anyone how to live. I guess I'm just offering an alt. voice to what could be. Do I like Papa John's pizza? Fuc* ya! Will my intestines and other body parts like it? NO. We are what we eat. It can be a struggle to live here. But, it is my choice. Everyone has one. Most people just don't realize it.
Are N Americans fat? Yes. So is most of the western world. Are there a lot of thin people that are unhealthy? Yes.
I won't apologize for being stupid and spreading pseudo-scientific lies. Or, for never previewing my posts before submitting them. |
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