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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 4:07 pm    Post subject: No more "so-so." Join my crusade! Reply with quote

Just started my second year here and I'm on a new mission. I must rid every Korean student of the words "so-so" !

Where the heck did they pick this up from! I don't think I've ever heard more than 2 native speakers respond to "How are you?" or "did you have a good time?" with "so-so".

Please help me in my crusade. We must teach them "ok", "not bad", "alright" anything but "so-so"!!
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a noble crusade. Let me add two more to the jihad:

"Did you have a good lunch?"
"OK!"

"Imfinethankyouandyou"
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard lots of westerners say so-so to indicate "not really good and not really bad". Okay, Koreans seem to have picked it up with a vengeance, but what the hell. Their usage of it is usually correct. How can we be so selective about which items Koreans should use?

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It's a noble crusade. Let me add two more to the jihad:

"Did you have a good lunch?"
"OK!"

"Imfinethankyouandyou"


The "lunch" thing, if I'm not mistaken, is just a traditional Korean greeting translated into English. So, you'd be launching a war not against bad English but against Korean culture.

As for "OK": jesus, yeah, that grates on my nerves!! But only because they use it to mean "yes" when answering a factual question, eg. "Are you from Gwangju?" "OK". If a native speaker says that, he's saying something like "well, what you said isn't quite correct, but sure, I'll go along with it just to keep you happy". I tell my students(a few times each month) that "okay" means "yes" only when responding to an invitation or a suggestion, eg. "Do you want to go to a movie with me?" "OK".

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"Imfinethankyouandyou"


Gee, I wonder where they got THAT one from?
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The "lunch" thing, if I'm not mistaken, is just a traditional Korean greeting translated into English. So, you'd be launching a war not against bad English but against Korean culture.

No, I was just picking a random question - wasn't commenting on the "did you eat rice?" cultural question.
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Korea Newfie



Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Newfoundland and Labrador

PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After close to three years hee, my girlfriend's been scolding me lately for saying "so-so." The horrible part about this is that for the life of me, I can't remember not having said it before I came. She assures me I didn't, but it seems natural to me after all this time!

Them: "Hey, how was the movie?"
Me: "So-so.."

Shocked
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been on the "So-So is not a good answer" crusade for 3 years.

Lazy students use it the same way they use "computer games".
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When a new group of students use phrases like "Nothing special", "so-so" or the other usual suspects, I tend to tell them that native speakers don't use those phrases very often.

I write a big list of possible alternatives on the board, and then tell them that if I hear either of those two phrases again, I'll stab myself with the board marker out of boredom.

Later when a student uses those phrases, I'll make a bit of a scene and pretend to stab myself. I usually only have to do it once.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a word to add to the list
Same-same

I can't stand that either. never said that before I came here but it is creeping into the vocab.
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lawyertood



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul, Incheon and the World--working undercover for the MOJ

PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is your take, then, on "See you again?"


Can't recall ever hearing that at home but it must be in the books they learn English from here.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been hearing people say "Have a good time!" instead of goodbye recently too. I can only attribute it to bad writing in recent KT ads.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I've heard a lot of Have a Good Time lately as well.

Something that my mom would say to me but hey, at least the pronunciation is good. Smile
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The "lunch" thing, if I'm not mistaken, is just a traditional Korean greeting translated into English. So, you'd be launching a war not against bad English but against Korean culture.

No, I was just picking a random question - wasn't commenting on the "did you eat rice?" cultural question.


Ah, I see now. I thought that the two items were being listed seperately. Sorry for the confusion.
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've been on the "So-So is not a good answer" crusade for 3 years.

Lazy students use it the same way they use "computer games".


I wish someone would tell me why exactly it isn't a good answer. It's basically the equivalent of "okay" as a descriptive adjective. How many times have we all heard a native speaker answer "it's okay" when asked to describe what he thinks of something?

When a student answers "so-so", I don't tell him not to use it, as that seems completely hypocritical to me considering how often native speakers use similar adjectives. What I DO say is "okay, why was it just so-so? Why wasn't it very good"? This confirms the validity of the phrase without allowing lazy students to use it as a crutch.
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
I've got a word to add to the list
Same-same

I can't stand that either. never said that before I came here but it is creeping into the vocab.

I've no proof, but I think it originated from native speakers saying "same thing".
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katydid



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah someone should clarify when you can say Have a good time to someone leaving you. "Where are you going?" "To the store?" "Have a good time!" just sounds odd.
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