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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
Honestly, we'd all like to think that getting a job in Korea is all based on qualifications, but when it comes down to it, many hagwons would rather hire the American or Canadian white woman/man who has a BA over a South African or Kiwi with an MA and teaching credentials.

If it is your basic hagwon or teaching job then i would agree with that statement. However I found most of the directors that think like that are not the nicest people to start with and I wouldn't want to work there anyway.

The best employers are the ones who don't really mind what country you come from as long as you teach well and do a good job for them. In my experience...the multinational hagwons are the best ones as the children get access to a wide range of accents.

However it is a fact of life here that the TOEIC exam is based on a North American accent so I can see why there is a preference.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
Derrek wrote:
Honestly, we'd all like to think that getting a job in Korea is all based on qualifications, but when it comes down to it, many hagwons would rather hire the American or Canadian white woman/man who has a BA over a South African or Kiwi with an MA and teaching credentials.

If it is your basic hagwon or teaching job then i would agree with that statement. However I found most of the directors that think like that are not the nicest people to start with and I wouldn't want to work there anyway.

The best employers are the ones who don't really mind what country you come from as long as you teach well and do a good job for them. In my experience...the multinational hagwons are the best ones as the children get access to a wide range of accents.



I don't think anyone would dispute that Hagwon owners, in large part, discriminiate based on accent and country-of-origin.

My aussie and kiwi friends on here openly say that they have a more difficult time finding a job due to where they are from. Oddly though, in some of the better places I've worked, there have been some Aussies in the mix, too.

But like I said originally, with less to choose from due to your country-of-origin, you might have to take a roommate (unless you aren't in a hurry to find that perfect job).
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If so many foreigners in Korea are "freaks", is it "begging the question" (whatever that means) to say that very few sensible people come here and stay for long? Or that you almost need to be a freak to be here long term or more than a year?

When I think about it I doubt any of my old buddies back in Canada could live here more than year, if that long. Many of them seem quite intolerant of foreigners in Canada even!
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rawiri



Joined: 01 Jun 2003
Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

define freak, like really what are we talking about here?, i know at least 5 people that have been here 4+ years, not one of them would i regard as a 'freak'.
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saint_moi



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: That little place where I'm meant to be.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Honestly, we'd all like to think that getting a job in Korea is all based on qualifications, but when it comes down to it, many hagwons would rather hire the American or Canadian white woman/man who has a BA over a South African or Kiwi with an MA and teaching credentials.

Especially when the MA is crying for top salary. (or in this discussion case -- a job without a roommate).

I didn't say it was right... just saying it's fact here in Korea. Sad as it is.

Sorry I hurt your feelings.



It never ceases to amaze, the abundance of repulsive self-righteousness from guys like this. The mindset to 'liberate' the world with hamburgers. Well, delude thyself while u can. This industry is constantly changing, and both you and your narrow-mindedness will become obsolete! Then you can crawl back home yo and get a job at Wal-Mart.
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