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Making up classes for classes missed during Chusok?
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palkorea



Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: Jeonnam

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:47 pm    Post subject: Making up classes for classes missed during Chusok? Reply with quote

Was told today that we will be teaching 3 extra days at the end of the session to make up the classes missed during Chusok.

Anyone else hear this MADNESS?
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chicken_punch



Joined: 26 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just let them know you'll be expecting a ton of OT.
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jonpurdy



Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chuseok is a national holiday. You have those days off. Thus, those classes must be counted as overtime if you have to do them later.
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a common hagwon trick to keep the income flowing. However, you're entitled to this paid Korean holiday. My hagwon tried making me do extra classes to make up for my vacation days (ha, ha, good luck with that baby). Just say "NO" or ask for overtime payment for the catch up classes (get the agreement in writing before you teach the classes).

Be polite, but firm.
Good luck.
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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heck hongik univ used to make (and they still might) teachers make up holidays, its getting to be a common thing
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Making up classes for classes missed during Chusok? Reply with quote

palkorea wrote:
Was told today that we will be teaching 3 extra days at the end of the session to make up the classes missed during Chusok.

Anyone else hear this MADNESS?


It must be a hagwon. Razz
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balzor



Joined: 14 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Making up classes for classes missed during Chusok? Reply with quote

palkorea wrote:
Was told today that we will be teaching 3 extra days at the end of the session to make up the classes missed during Chusok.

Anyone else hear this MADNESS?
That's a load of shitee. It's a National Holiday! Don't stand for it.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty common Hagwon tactic. They'll point to the 120 hours mentioned in the contract. You'll say it's a National Holiday, They'll agree, say you're not working those days and point to the 120 hours in in the contract.
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palkorea



Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: Jeonnam

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm. Sadly, it is not a hagwon. And I've been at this uni for years. It's the first time they've ever tried to pull this. I absolutely will not teach to make up for the holiday. I was just wondering if anyone else was dealing with this nonsense.
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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

palkorea wrote:
Hmmm. Sadly, it is not a hagwon. And I've been at this uni for years. It's the first time they've ever tried to pull this. I absolutely will not teach to make up for the holiday. I was just wondering if anyone else was dealing with this nonsense.


i'll tell you what hongik told its teachers a few years ago is that they had to make up classes missed because of national holidays was because if they didnt make up the classes then it would be a less than 15 week min semester which korean education code requires.
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hogwonguy1979 wrote:
palkorea wrote:
Hmmm. Sadly, it is not a hagwon. And I've been at this uni for years. It's the first time they've ever tried to pull this. I absolutely will not teach to make up for the holiday. I was just wondering if anyone else was dealing with this nonsense.


i'll tell you what hongik told its teachers a few years ago is that they had to make up classes missed because of national holidays was because if they didnt make up the classes then it would be a less than 15 week min semester which korean education code requires.


Not your problem. Refer them to the Korean labor board. Period.
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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldfatfarang wrote:
hogwonguy1979 wrote:
palkorea wrote:
Hmmm. Sadly, it is not a hagwon. And I've been at this uni for years. It's the first time they've ever tried to pull this. I absolutely will not teach to make up for the holiday. I was just wondering if anyone else was dealing with this nonsense.


i'll tell you what hongik told its teachers a few years ago is that they had to make up classes missed because of national holidays was because if they didnt make up the classes then it would be a less than 15 week min semester which korean education code requires.


Not your problem. Refer them to the Korean labor board. Period.


teachers went to the labor board, they were told the univ was within their rights to have them make up the days, apparently the 15 week calender trumps that.

now other 15 week univs i know this isnt the case. at my present univ we have a 16th week for make up classes but the only classes we have to make up are sick days and in the case of chuseok that friday
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palkorea



Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: Jeonnam

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

interesting, because we also have a 16th week for make up days. so we only have to make up those classes for NON national holidays, right? which means that if we have not missed any classes we will not be required to do them?

I know this sounds like a stupid question, but our vacation is being lessened by 5 days (weekend + 3 days) because of these stupid make up days-which they are making us do regardless of how many days we miss.

can anyone send me a link to any labor sites related to this?
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mm



Joined: 01 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long is your vacation not counting the make up days? Does your workplace usually treat you fairly and well? Do all the professors at your University have to make up classes or specifically just the foreign English teachers?
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sounds really dodgy to me. National holidays are national holidays.

Workers in NZ (and likely Aussie, too) would just make up the lost days by taking sick days. Sounds like your uni staff need to organise.
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