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machoman
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again
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Don't forget that many of these girls are foreigners from countries like China, the Philippines and Russia. I'm sure they are a large percentage of the women.
I find that almost 1/5 number to be unbelievable. |
I suspect the ones from China are almost all ethnically Korean and speak Korean as their mother tongue. There are some Russians (to fulfill fantasies of "riding a white horse") but not that many. And probably very few from the Philippines or other Asian countries. Why? Because most of the customers don't speak any language other than Korean, and conversation is a big part of any service that these girls provide. The girls are almost all Korean. |
Depends what Cities you go to Ulsan, Okpo in Geoje especially, have many Filippino Hostess bars. They are to cater for many Western Engineers and Sailors. In some of those clubs Koreans are banned.
The girls are actually on entertainer visas and have to supply a 4 CD track of them singing to immigration. Then many get to their 'clubs' and find out they owe 1000's of dollars and have to become prostitutes to pay off their 'debts' and send money back home |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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There is a saying among Koreans about really REALLY pretty women here and that is 5% of them are actors, models etc etc. 5% are just normal women working in a company or studying in a uni. The other 90% are dabbling in the "services" industry because the money they make is absolutely insane. 100,000 KRW an hour? Try 10 million KRW for a few hours with a rich adjossi business man. It can be even more than that as well.
If a rich Korean guy is dating a smoking hot girl (and I mean in the upper echelon of looks) and she is not from a rich family herselff he will think twice about what she has done to afford her designer bags and plastic surgery etc. |
Really, there is a saying? How does the saying go?
I think your numbers are a little off. Don't forget that the vast majority of super hot girls come from normal Korean families. As we know, girls are expected to be home early, spend lots of time with family, and live with their parents until they get married. I don't see how 90% could be working in room salons.
Also, assuming that they want to, and/or are prepared to, work in a room salon, not every girl can do that kind of work. The drinking alone is more than most men can handle. How many shots of whisky can you do in a hour and still appear sober and charming?
(By the way, this is not a personal attack on you misher, I normally like your posts, I just think you're a bit off the mark on this one) |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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These kinds of statistics are often inflated in all kinds of sneaky ways to paint a much grimmer picture than really exists. The number is probably high, but probably not as high as they claim. If it was low, no one would care or want to change it. |
According to a GO/NGO that I volunteer with that works in supporting sex workers once they leave the sex trade, there is 96,000,000 separate incidents of paying for sexual activity every year in Korea. Sexual activity is rather vague and could include paying for porn sites, I guess. |
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CheeseSandwich
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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It would take very little actual police work to shut down most of the brothels.
I mean in itaewon theres a cop shop LITERALLY 50 yards away from a place known as "Hooker Hill" or the fishbowl brothels outside the youngsan station.
I mean, seriously, it has banners saying no one under 18 should walk down the alley near youngsan.
LOOOOOOOOORDY |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Paddycakes"]
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| . So that's counting all the women who work at tabangs, keopi shaps, adult telephone bangs, adult computer bangs, barber pole places, anma parlors, "co-ed massage" parlors, sexy clubs, bikini bars, room salons, kissing clubs, licking clubs, etc... it supposedly adds up to almost 17% of all Korean women. |
Has anyone here even been to a "licking club"? |
I haven't (I don't go to bars), but I live in Pattaya, and one of my mates there has been to one or too of these 'licking' bars (with his Thai girlfriend, I might add).
Seems it gets pretty hot in these bars, and to cool off the ladies have to shed their bikinis etc. The farang customers are really kind, and help the girls cool down by licking them you know where. Standing room only, apparently.
Another mate tells me that the doctor visits the bar (once a month?) just to make sure that everything is healthy.
Yuk. |
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Caffeinated
Joined: 11 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| oldfatfarang wrote: |
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| Has anyone here even been to a "licking club"? |
I haven't (I don't go to bars), but I live in Pattaya, and one of my mates there has been to one or too of these 'licking' bars (with his Thai girlfriend, I might add).
Seems it gets pretty hot in these bars, and to cool off the ladies have to shed their bikinis etc. The farang customers are really kind, and help the girls cool down by licking them you know where. Standing room only, apparently.
Another mate tells me that the doctor visits the bar (once a month?) just to make sure that everything is healthy.
Yuk. |
Oops, I thought it was the customer that would get licked.  |
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apples
Joined: 28 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| Sex trade in Korea is nothing for Koreans to be ashamed or embarassed about |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Really, there is a saying? How does the saying go?
I think your numbers are a little off. Don't forget that the vast majority of super hot girls come from normal Korean families. As we know, girls are expected to be home early, spend lots of time with family, and live with their parents until they get married. I don't see how 90% could be working in room salons.
Also, assuming that they want to, and/or are prepared to, work in a room salon, not every girl can do that kind of work. The drinking alone is more than most men can handle. How many shots of whisky can you do in a hour and still appear sober and charming?
(By the way, this is not a personal attack on you misher, I normally like your posts, I just think you're a bit off the mark on this one) |
When my friends were yammering away about this I didn't believe it either and just thought it was Korean women speaking out of jealousy because they aren't as good looking as the women they are talking about. It is however telling that Koreans would say this. I was a bit shocked and I of course believe it is off the mark.
There is however a lot of money to be made if a girl is that rediculously good looking. PUlling in 30 mill in a month doesn't sound that bad and in terms of keeping it a secret, Korean women in general are quite good about doing that. Just talk to many of the guys that date them and how many "unknowns" and inconsistent behaviour there seems to be.
The girls that engage in this type of work are also not poor women from the rice patty either. Korea isn't like that anymore. So even though it is hard to keep a secret from a family, they can do it. Heck, according to my gf she knew many girls in uni that would turn a few tricks with adjossies twice their age every other month in Kyongido love motels (Seoul is too close to home) for millions of WON. They were from good families and a simply lie like telling the fam that they were going to a pension with friends was all that it took. This is only hearsay but meh, I actually believe it when I went to Kangwon do and saw hundreds of love motels in the middle of nowhere. Getting money for sex doesn't have to happen in a room salon over 4 bottles of whiskey. Call it having a sugar daddy or whatever. It is still prostitution.
I guess my point is that the whole 90% number is in my opinion of course exaggerated. However, don't be surprised if you know or hear about a girl from a good family that has a dark side as well. It happens quite a bit according to Koreans I know. I'll take their word for it as us waegookens are pretty much barred from 99% of the sex industry here. Outside of Itaewon and ares where there are soldiers, most establishments and their services will not be on the table for a foreigner. That is a fact. |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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Another thing I thought I should mention is this idea that 1/6 women in the target demographic has at one time or another been involved in the sexual services industry. Like Crossmr said this number is probably inflated due to inaccurate data regarding what it constitutes to be a "worker." I'm inclined to agree because 1/6 is pretty god damn high.
However, if this statistic is accurate, we must also consider that not any girl in the age 18-35 demographic has the physical appeal (ie be good looking) to be in the industry. In Vancouver a guy will pay 2 dollars to have sex with a prostitute addicted to crystal meth but in Korea, by just looking out my window right now and seeing 4 "business clubs" and a plethora of love motels, I think I could safely draw the conclusion that the prostitution industry is much more sophisticated. I don't think that it would be unreasonable to assume that the largest demographic of Korean men to frequent these places are business men and because they are paying out a load of cash through their company credit cards, they will expect quality.
Therefore a Korean woman has to be at least slightly above average or more to get any kind of work in these places that are so ubiquitous. Of all the women aged 13-35 most are, like all of us here, nothing special. Average or less. Let's be generous and say of the women aged 18-35 40% are decent enough in appearance so that a Korean man would pay. If that is the case then the 1/6 number is even higher(1/3? 1/4?) if we are just talking about women that are above average to model quality in the looks department. I'm not saying this is the case here but it very well COULD be given the data that has been gathered. Scary. |
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Seoulmann
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:07 am Post subject: |
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I have no problems with prostitution what so ever. I think its a profession for certain people to be involved in if they choose.. its lucrative and exciting I guess..
what I do have a problem is, MEN or Female who exploit women or men especially children to work as hookers for their own profit... this to me is a huge crime. and more serious punishments need to be passed down on them. 10 years in prison for pimping. life in prison for pimping children. |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:52 am Post subject: |
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I have no problems with prostitution what so ever. I think its a profession for certain people to be involved in if they choose.. its lucrative and exciting I guess..
what I do have a problem is, MEN or Female who exploit women or men especially children to work as hookers for their own profit... this to me is a huge crime. and more serious punishments need to be passed down on them. 10 years in prison for pimping. life in prison for pimping children. |
In a perfect world I would agree. The anti legalization crowd however say that if you legalize it, you are legalizing the abuse of women. Regulation isn't exactly that easy.
It is like legalizing some form of controlled corporal punishment in public schools. I think some kids need it but it has to be done in a controlled manner and in a certain way done by a certain individual of authority. There is however no way to guarantee that everyone would follow the rules even though the consequences for breaking them are steep.
On the other hand prostitution isn't going anywhere in any country and for Korea in particular the DEMAND is quite high otherwise I wouldn't see establishments that offer services on every corner block. I do believe that demand will decline as many Korean women simply will not put up with their husbands visiting whores. As women get more rights when it comes to divorce, men will start thinking twice about using prostitutes. It seems to me that the younger generation already does. Heck, even the Huisik culture of drinking is changing. The younger generation simply does not want to do it. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
| For example, they might be counting every single woman who has ever worked at a love motel as a house cleaner as being in the "sex industry" because her job primarily exists due to the nature of where she works. |
You really think they had house cleaners in mind when they came up with their figures? |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| For example, they might be counting every single woman who has ever worked at a love motel as a house cleaner as being in the "sex industry" because her job primarily exists due to the nature of where she works. |
You really think they had house cleaners in mind when they came up with their figures? |
If they were trying to push a certain agenda yes. unless someone can provide the actual study that was done so we can see what they were really counting, we have no idea.
If they were actually sex workers, they'd be described as such. instead they're "in the industry" which includes tons of people who aren't actual prostitutes. |
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