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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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David Broder has lost his mind
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Here is where Obama is likely to prevail. With strong Republican support in Congress for challenging Iran's ambition to become a nuclear power, he can spend much of 2011 and 2012 orchestrating a showdown with the mullahs. This will help him politically because the opposition party will be urging him on. And as tensions rise and we accelerate preparations for war, the economy will improve.
I am not suggesting, of course, that the president incite a war to get reelected. But the nation will rally around Obama because Iran is the greatest threat to the world in the young century. If he can confront this threat and contain Iran's nuclear ambitions, he will have made the world safer and may be regarded as one of the most successful presidents in history. |
Are you kidding me?? WTF happened to David Broder? I always thought he was a bore and dumb as bricks but I also thought he was SANE. Apparently that's no longer the case. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe one day there will be a court where war mongers are given a fair trial and then executed. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:06 am Post subject: |
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/98744f68-eb64-11df-b482-00144feab49a.html#axzz14okSkW60
US resists Israel call for tough line on Iran
By Daniel Dombey in Washington and Tobias Buck in Jerusalem
Published: November 8 2010 18:37 | Last updated: November 8 2010 18:37
The US has pushed back at an Israeli attempt to convince Barack Obama, president, to make a �credible military threat� against Iran, in a sign of enduring tensions about how to handle Tehran�s nuclear programme.
Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel�s prime minister, told Joe Biden, US vice-president, at a weekend meeting in New Orleans that Washington should use tougher language and set out a clearer timeline in the dispute. In particular, he argued that only a �credible military threat� would convince Tehran to change course.
But, asked about Mr Netanyahu�s position, Robert Gates, US defence secretary, set out US resistance to the Israeli arguments.
�I disagree that only a credible military threat can get Iran to take the actions that it needs to, to end its nuclear weapons programme,� he said on Monday at a ministerial meeting in Australia. �We are prepared to do what is necessary, but at this point, we continue to believe that the political, economic approach that we are taking is, in fact, having an impact in Iran.� |
Fight your own wars. Netanyahu can send his family and friends to kill and die using Israeli money. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:31 am Post subject: |
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/98744f68-eb64-11df-b482-00144feab49a.html#axzz14okSkW60
US resists Israel call for tough line on Iran
By Daniel Dombey in Washington and Tobias Buck in Jerusalem
Published: November 8 2010 18:37 | Last updated: November 8 2010 18:37
The US has pushed back at an Israeli attempt to convince Barack Obama, president, to make a �credible military threat� against Iran, in a sign of enduring tensions about how to handle Tehran�s nuclear programme.
Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel�s prime minister, told Joe Biden, US vice-president, at a weekend meeting in New Orleans that Washington should use tougher language and set out a clearer timeline in the dispute. In particular, he argued that only a �credible military threat� would convince Tehran to change course.
But, asked about Mr Netanyahu�s position, Robert Gates, US defence secretary, set out US resistance to the Israeli arguments.
�I disagree that only a credible military threat can get Iran to take the actions that it needs to, to end its nuclear weapons programme,� he said on Monday at a ministerial meeting in Australia. �We are prepared to do what is necessary, but at this point, we continue to believe that the political, economic approach that we are taking is, in fact, having an impact in Iran.� |
Fight your own wars. Netanyahu can send his family and friends to kill and die using Israeli money. |
Agreed. That's just complete arrogance on Netanyahu's part.
The one upside to Rand Paul's win for liberals is he's calling for defense spending cuts and I would like to think he'd be a vocal opponent to attacking Iran. Lindsey Graham is generally one GOP Senator I like but his focus on Iran is rather disturbing. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| The one upside to Rand Paul's win for liberals |
Liberals are among the most prestigious and effective war mongers.
In fact, liberalism is leftist thought without any real concern for the poor and/or lower classes. This is similar to conservatives, who should be trying to conserve but instead are a revolutionary force. War is peace. American parties and mainstream political organizations represent fake corporate/zionist Potemkin-ideologies.
I hate to sound like a hippie ranting in the floor lounge during freshman year, but the Democrat/liberal - Republican/conservative divide is a creation of the maann, man. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:55 am Post subject: |
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I hate to sound like a hippie ranting in the floor lounge during freshman year, but the Democrat/liberal - Republican/conservative divide is a creation of the maann, man. |
Yes, you do sound like a hippie. Say, "its the creation of the electoral college." |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:08 am Post subject: |
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America survived with the electoral college for a couple hundred years without attacking Israel's neighbours.
Kuros, if Israel had been carved out of India your country would be in a war against Hindu terrorism. David Broder would be penning articles about how India's leader is the New Hitler and that there are WMD's etc etc etc.
Do you feel what I feel? That not only is history not over it hasn't even changed all that much. A Persian war with the Israelites? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:29 am Post subject: |
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America survived with the electoral college for a couple hundred years without attacking Israel's neighbours.
Kuros, if Israel had been carved out of India your country would be in a war against Hindu terrorism. David Broder would be penning articles about how India's leader is the New Hitler and that there are WMD's etc etc etc.
Do you feel what I feel? That not only is history not over it hasn't even changed all that much. A Persian war with the Israelites? |
Dude, chill out.
You know you've become obsessed when you are screeching to the choir. I'm simply advising you the erudite way to issue your complaint. I don't expect you to be completely up on everything American since you weren't born here. I don't know the subtleties of the Canadian system.
I've never advised bombing Iran, and I think Broder is vile. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:39 am Post subject: |
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America survived with the electoral college for a couple hundred years without attacking Israel's neighbours.
Kuros, if Israel had been carved out of India your country would be in a war against Hindu terrorism. David Broder would be penning articles about how India's leader is the New Hitler and that there are WMD's etc etc etc.
Do you feel what I feel? That not only is history not over it hasn't even changed all that much. A Persian war with the Israelites? |
The unedited version was funnier. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| You know you've become obsessed when you are screeching to the choir. |
That's rude.
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| I don't know the subtleties of the Canadian system. |
You don't need to.
http://mondoweiss.net/2010/11/canadian-lawmakers-resurrect-mccarthy-in-hearings-and-conference-that-say-criticism-of-israel-is-anti-semitism.html
The outcome is the same. The system doesn't matter.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?aid=7245&context=va
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| As if his marital challenges were not enough cause for concern, "Sarco the Sayan" has suddenly emerged as the most infamous accolade of French President Nicolas Sarkozy. The influential French daily Le Figaro last week revealed that the French leader once worked for -- and perhaps still does, it hinted -- Israeli intelligence as a sayan (Hebrew for helper), one of the thousands of Jewish citizens of countries other than Israel who cooperate with the katsas (Mossad case-officers). |
The subtleties of the French system bypassed too.
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Anyways I wasn't screeching at you. I was screeching for screechings sake.
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| The unedited version was funnier. |
Nah. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Look, I've said before that Obama isn't going to bomb Iran. We should have confidence in Obama's foreign policy decisions. Its one thing to double-down in Afghanistan, but its completely different to start a war with a regional powerhouse. But Obama will place sanctions and play brinkmanship with Iran. And neither of these serve Israeli interests, they serve US interests. I also enjoyed Stuxnet and sales to the Saudis. Obama is showing us how to employ American power.
Obama can't do what you'd like him to do, which is treat Israel with the same tactics as Iran. You know he can't do this. He has bigger fish to fry, and its enough that he makes Netanyahu look like a whackjob.
P.S. w/o checking wiki, I thought that Cyrus the Great freed the Hebrews from Babylonian captivity. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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In truth I think of him as an enormous success for the single reason that he has not bombed Iran.
Israel will do something devious to drag the US into a war. Which is why Mullen went to Israel to warn them against any "Liberty" incidents (as reported in the JPost). |
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mc_jc
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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The tragic thing is that Iran is nothing but an oligarchy that's disguised as a 'democratic theocracy' (I know this sound like an oxymoron). The thing that is overtly weird about Iran is that despite its authoritarian regime, it is one of only two nations in the region, other than Israel, that holds political elections on a regular basis.
The problem this time around is that the powers-that-be in Iran are realizing that they can't keep on disguising their power by holding elections and that vote-rigging was in order.
The reason you don't hear too much about a military attack on Iran is that a sizable majority of the people in the country hate their current system. Also, an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities would actually justify their rhetoric that the west is against them.
Iran-US relations, prior to the Islamic Revolution, was the best in the region- again, only second to Israel (in fact, during the Shah-era, Israel and Iran were regional allies and in fact conducted joint military manuevers together. The SAVAK and the Mossad worked together in going after members of the PLO and other terrorist organizations.
Despite the propaganda and heated rhetoric, I believe that both the US and Iran are culturally linked to the point that neither of them would want to go to war with each other.
The thing is that many Iranians strongly believe that China and Russia will come to their aid if they indeed attacked. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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The reason you don't hear too much about a military attack on Iran is that a sizable majority of the people in the country hate their current system. Also, an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities would actually justify their rhetoric that the west is against them. |
Yeah... bombing Iran would just strengthen the current government and embolden them. Fortunately, I hear nuclear facilities can be severely damaged by computer viruses these days.
I think the best investment we could make in the region would be a hundred thousand AK-47s airdropped into residential districts of Tehran (child locks and all, of course). Give claws to the weak. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Senator Lindsey Graham was here in Canada recently calling for the bombing of Iran. |
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