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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| superNET wrote: |
Oh and I do not care what any expert, other teacher or class says to do they do not teach my classes and do not know my students what they think means nothing. |
 Then why should people take seriously your criticism of the OP? The above makes you sound closed to criticism, constructive or otherwise. How can a teacher improve if they don't take in what others have to say? |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevesteve, what are your teaching qualifications, if you don't mind me asking? |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: On the mainland again
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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My bad, I was supposed to just edit my last post  |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:18 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it's lame because I didn't tell her to simply try harder. I told her specific page numbers and class notes (I type and hand out notes for every class) where she could find the answers. Like I saide earlier, in this program, students have the chance to transfer up to 12 credits to one of four American universities, including an Ivy League, towards an MA in TESOL.
So, of course, I want my students to try harder but I always point them in the right direction, and I don't think having slightly higher standards for our Korean students is a bad thing. When we have higher expectations, that are achievable and within grasp, then we usually perform better. |
I couldn't understand why superNET had such a problem with this part. Suddenly you (the OP) were the bad guy, and you should have just "given her the correct answers".
I know of a teacher that is taking a class in MA TESOL. She is a nice lady, but incredibly lazy. She had her former subordinate do homework for her (I knew this because the subordinate told me all about it). What kind of a student are you making when you just "give them the answers"? What is the point of you being called a teacher, if the student isn't really learning anything? |
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superNET
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| I couldn't understand why superNET had such a problem with this part |
I didn't have a problem with it, the student did. If the student couldn't find the right answer then tell her. For the rest of that opening paragraph, he is the bad uy because he left a student needing help and that is wrong.
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| What kind of a student are you making when you just "give them the answers" |
You are distorting the issue, she wasn't being lazy, SHE GOT 23 OUT OF 25 CORRECT. Giving her 2 answers is not going to make her lazy but help her see where she went wrong so she doesn't do it the next time.
I really do not see how you people are teachers when you miss vital teaching moments. |
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OculisOrbis
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| I couldn't understand why superNET had such a problem with this part |
I didn't have a problem with it, the student did. If the student couldn't find the right answer then tell her. For the rest of that opening paragraph, he is the bad uy because he left a student needing help and that is wrong.
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| What kind of a student are you making when you just "give them the answers" |
You are distorting the issue, she wasn't being lazy, SHE GOT 23 OUT OF 25 CORRECT. Giving her 2 answers is not going to make her lazy but help her see where she went wrong so she doesn't do it the next time.
I really do not see how you people are teachers when you miss vital teaching moments. |
She was being lazy. She got the answers that were easy for her, but didnt want to put any effort into finding the two that were difficult for her - especially after being given a study guide, the page numbers with the answers and then crying after only 15 minutes. The teaching moment here was "stop being a baby, we dont spoon feed every bite when youre an adult."
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| I told her to check again and e-mail me back when she's ready. About 15 minutes later, she sends a desperate reply, something to the effect of "I can't find the answers! Can you give me the answers? I'm really worried!!" I told her that most students do really well on the exam and not to worry, and I also gave her specific page numbers and notes so that she can find the answers. |
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superNET
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:47 am Post subject: |
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The teaching moment here was "stop being a baby, we dont spoon feed every bite when youre an adult."
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And you are wrong. All I see from your comment and severalothers,including the Op, is that there are a bunch of lazy, unhelpful, uncaring, western teachers in this land taking home money they did not earn. |
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OculisOrbis
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: |
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The teaching moment here was "stop being a baby, we dont spoon feed every bite when youre an adult."
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And you are wrong. All I see from your comment and severalothers,including the Op, is that there are a bunch of lazy, unhelpful, uncaring, western teachers in this land taking home money they did not earn. |
Dont forget 'drug-addled', 'sex-crazed', 'disease-ridden' and most of all - 'unqualified'. A few more posts, Seoulio, and I'm sure the Korea Times will be calling you to offer Kang Shin-Who's position of Foreign Teacher Slanderer at their paper. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| OculisOrbis wrote: |
Dont forget 'drug-addled', 'sex-crazed', 'disease-ridden' and most of all - 'unqualified'. |
Have we met Orbis? But 'disease-ridden'? C'mon...
I thought that was between you and I...
(Sorry, I can't stop laughing and editing at the same time...damn Guiness!) |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:57 am Post subject: |
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The teaching moment here was "stop being a baby, we dont spoon feed every bite when youre an adult."
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And you are wrong. All I see from your comment and severalothers,including the Op, is that there are a bunch of lazy, unhelpful, uncaring, western teachers in this land taking home money they did not earn. |
You may be right, but who hired them?
How did the OP's refusal to give a couple of answers suddenly morph into
what you described above?
Western teachers tend to uphold the standards they had to adhere to as students. Whether or not you agree with the OP's teaching methods I can't see how you would think that your ideas are better.
You've given your opion of what you would do, fine. It seems most posters disagree with you, so you start name-calling. (brilliant)
I don't know of any profs back in my university that would have given me the answers, regardless how many I got right, except "after" the exam stage. |
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superNET
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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interestedinhanguk
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| People still use Yahoo!? |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Pay no mind to superNET. His trolling tactic is to constantly instigate arguments (even if his position makes no sense) while always interjecting "the western way" or "stupid westerners".
What a goof. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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@ SuperNET:
If she was helpless, as you claim, she wouldn't have been able to get 23 right. She's being lazy. He gave her directions as to where to find the answers. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, I have read this thread with some amusement. Now, let me point out a fallacy made by SuperNET. He says that the West is lagging behind in education? While it is certainly true that in America there are a number of problems with educational attainment, that is mostly due to the pre-university education (possibly partly due to permissiveness such as what is advocated by SuperNET). Also, the USA is widely acknowledged to have world class universities. Further, I think that when one examines the wider meaning of term "the West", that includes many other countries besides the USA many (if not most) of which are doing quite well in the rankings related to education. |
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