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winaniw
Joined: 18 Sep 2010
Location: San Francisco, CA
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 Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:18 pm Post subject: 40-hour work weeks |
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| Every job single hagwon advertisement I've seen advertises 38-45 working hours per week. Hours generally looks something like 9am-6pm or 1-9pm. Should I keep hunting for better hours, or is this the norm? |
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bbud656
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Its teaching hours that matter. You are going to be at school for close to 40 hours. Just depends on how much of that you are actually working. Public school teachers are all close to a 9-5 schedule. If you can get less than 30 teaching hours at a hagwon, thats not bad. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| bbud656 wrote: |
| Its teaching hours that matter. You are going to be at school for close to 40 hours. Just depends on how much of that you are actually working. Public school teachers are all close to a 9-5 schedule. If you can get less than 30 teaching hours at a hagwon, thats not bad. |
While it is true that public school teachers are close to a 9-5 schedule most have only around 22 teaching hours (it's in the contract). Whereas most hakwons nowadays also want you there for around 40 hours a week at least 30 of them are teaching and the rest doing prep/meetings/reports/phone teaching... |
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winaniw
Joined: 18 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Good to know. So if I'm looking at two similar hagwons,
Hagwon A with 28 classes but 42 on-campus hours
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Hagwon B with 35 classes but only 37 on-campus hours,
you would vote for Hagwon A? |
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Troglodyte
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes. In addition to how many hours you are teaching, you have to consider how many classes are in the teaching time. Preparing for a 45 minute class is not much less work than preparing for a 55 minute class, but those extra 10 minutes add easily add up to an extra class per day. |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Im guessing the recruiters are telling the hagwon owners about how many forieigners are applying for the jobs, so theyre expanding the hours to get more bang for their whitey buck.
of course, the number applying and the numbers making it all the way here with the documents and mess are different. |
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winaniw
Joined: 18 Sep 2010
Location: San Francisco, CA
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| "Come To Korea - Catch The Trailing End Of A Dying Beast!" |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| winaniw wrote: |
| "Come To Korea - Catch The Trailing End Of A Dying Beast!" |
it's true. |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| yes, but once everyone moves onto China, the market may get good again. The locals will now compete more fiercely for the coveted English cup! |
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carleverson
Joined: 04 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Whether you teach for 40, 30, or even 25 hours per week, you WILL be totally and utterly exhausted by the end of your day. If you wanted to work this hard you could have stayed in your home country.
On top of that, salaries haven't risen in years. Starting salaries are what they were 5-6 years ago.  |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:47 am Post subject: |
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| happiness wrote: |
Im guessing the recruiters are telling the hagwon owners about how many forieigners are applying for the jobs, so theyre expanding the hours to get more bang for their whitey buck.
of course, the number applying and the numbers making it all the way here with the documents and mess are different. |
Whenever I've met with hogwon owners and Korean employees, a common topic that comes up is recruiters. Many hogwon owners are told by recruiters that there are FEWER foreigners applying now. Why are there fewer job applicants, you may ask. Well, it seems that the recession has lead more teachers to decide not to travel abroad (e.g. to Korea) to teach. I usually give them the same advice I give to teachers. Cut out the middle man! Unfortunately most don't believe it's possible. With the lack of teachers, they feel that they'd have a better change of getting a teacher (and get a better teacher) by using a recruiter. |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| carleverson wrote: |
| Starting salaries are what they were 5-6 years ago. |
The future does not look that great. Not here. Not back home.
The bottom line is this: this generation will not have nearly as much as their parent's had. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| carleverson wrote: |
Whether you teach for 40, 30, or even 25 hours per week, you WILL be totally and utterly exhausted by the end of your day. If you wanted to work this hard you could have stayed in your home country.
On top of that, salaries haven't risen in years. Starting salaries are what they were 5-6 years ago. |
25-30 hours of teaching per week does not equate to an exhausting day...unless one is physically unfit to begin with. That's 5-6 hours a day of which the most physically demanding effort required of you is standing.
Most jobs back home require a 40 hour work week.
And teaching jobs back home (as opposed to here) require A LOT MORE work. |
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Adios_Corea
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| bobbybigfoot wrote: |
| carleverson wrote: |
| Starting salaries are what they were 5-6 years ago. |
The future does not look that great. Not here. Not back home.
The bottom line is this: this generation will not have nearly as much as their parent's had. |
Lazy, negative, doomsday sayers don't have nearly as much as their forward-thinking, optimistic counterparts do in any generation.
I wish that people would stop their whining about the recession as if it's the fall of western civilization. There were horrible economic crises in the 70's and 80's and yet the 90's were a decade of incredible prosperity.
Things got pretty messed up here, but the system will recover. If you think that folk in China are going to have a better life over the next 30-40 years than those in the UK, US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand...then you're dead wrong. Ancient countries like France and Switzerland still do just fine with high labor costs and low natural resources. The US didn't put them out of business with their growth and prosperity....and China won't either. |
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carleverson
Joined: 04 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| carleverson wrote: |
Whether you teach for 40, 30, or even 25 hours per week, you WILL be totally and utterly exhausted by the end of your day. If you wanted to work this hard you could have stayed in your home country.
On top of that, salaries haven't risen in years. Starting salaries are what they were 5-6 years ago. |
25-30 hours of teaching per week does not equate to an exhausting day...unless one is physically unfit to begin with. That's 5-6 hours a day of which the most physically demanding effort required of you is standing.
Most jobs back home require a 40 hour work week.
And teaching jobs back home (as opposed to here) require A LOT MORE work. |
LOL  if you think standing for 5-6 hours a day is not physically demanding.
Also, you're not simply standing. You're moving around, walking, bending down, stretching..... I'm relatively young and in great health and when I taught at hogwons, I was totally exhausted at the end of the day. |
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