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South Korea: Backlash After �30 Minute' Pizza Delivery
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geldedgoat



Joined: 05 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Menino80 wrote:
I hear that! If workers are willing to lay down their lives to more efficiently chase prices, so be it!!!! No rent seeking here!!!


Again, I see no outrage for any of the jobs topping the 'most dangerous' lists.
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Menino80



Joined: 10 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

geldedgoat wrote:
Menino80 wrote:
I hear that! If workers are willing to lay down their lives to more efficiently chase prices, so be it!!!! No rent seeking here!!!


Again, I see no outrage for any of the jobs topping the 'most dangerous' lists.


You're right! Voluntary parties all around! No place for social biological or psychological factors in describing behavior! Just use the earliest, basest, most simplistic formula devised in the field, and deduct ad infinitum from there!
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geldedgoat



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Menino80 wrote:
You're right! Voluntary parties all around! No place for social biological or psychological factors in describing behavior!


Indeed. I suppose all those firefighters, were firefighting to be outlawed, would still be out there jumping into burning buildings just like the delivery drivers here, no matter if their employers have a guarantee on delivery time or not, still manage to drive obscenely recklessly.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be curious to compare traffic accidents per hours driven of delivery people vs. average riders.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a former pizza delivery driver back home I have to say that

A)Delivery driver's will drive aggressively and be pressured to make fast deliveries no matter what. It's part of the rush of the job. When its slammed and you've got a 5-banger delivery run, even if you don't have a deadline you still drive aggressively because you want people to get hot food. Things have to run smooth. You can't have food sitting at the store and getting cold.

B)That accidents are bound to happen.

C)That for hours driven, it is my belief (no proof, so don't take me at my word) that delivery drivers have lower rates of accidents. We learn the roads and their quirks, the tendencies certain roads have in regards to traffic and so on.

The only ways not to get pizza people to not be driving aggressively, and these aren't full-proof, is to get them A)Cruising with a friend/S.O. B)Smoking (most pizza drivers back home drive stoned all the live long day) C) Live sporting event ont he radio where the driver wants to listen D) Be a customer that the driver doesn't like so instead they'll stop at Speedway and get a Taquito and a cruiser cup of Dr. Pepper and chat up the guy behind the counter. E)Eliminate Tipping for Delivery

One more thing- All the years in the biz have convinced me that people are utterly irrational when it comes to food. Very, very few people are patient and understanding. Usually those that are tend to be habitual, good-natured drunks.
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One day I happened to witness the un-thinkable... Wink

Actually it's a very common occurence.


two delivery scooters collided at the intersection, neither one was delivering pizza, but Korean food, both were in the wrong flying through the intersection without looking. It happened to be an uncontrolled intersection, so there were no lights.

There's no shortage of whackos on scooters in Korea, whatever they may be hauling.

I've also been almost run down as I was crossing the street. He screamed through the crowd of startled pedestrians as they were crossing at a pedestrian cross-walk. He just about took out me and 3 or 4 other people missing us all by a few inches.

Ever see the guys with the ta-bang girls whipping around through the traffic?

I doubt that the Dominoes drivers are any more aggressive than the rest.


I wouldn't be surprised if Dominoes owners were in agreement with this protest, especially after reading this section.


http://globalvoicesonline.org/2011/02/09/s-korea-backlash-after-30-minute-pizza-delivery-deaths/

What aggravates the already hostile working conditions delivery personnel experience in the country, are customers who hold their elevator or do not answer the door to postpone delivery in order to get a free pizza. Some customers demand delivery even on extremely snowy days, when many other pizza parlors do not accept take-out orders.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
E)Eliminate Tipping for Delivery


I'm behind this 100%. Pay service people a living wage.
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enjoyed the satire.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
E)Eliminate Tipping for Delivery


I'm behind this 100%. Pay service people a living wage.


I like this idea as well.
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northway



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
One more thing- All the years in the biz have convinced me that people are utterly irrational when it comes to food. Very, very few people are patient and understanding. Usually those that are tend to be habitual, good-natured drunks.


Respect the pot heads.
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Fat_Elvis



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Menino80 wrote:
geldedgoat wrote:
Menino80 wrote:
I hear that! If workers are willing to lay down their lives to more efficiently chase prices, so be it!!!! No rent seeking here!!!


Again, I see no outrage for any of the jobs topping the 'most dangerous' lists.


You're right! Voluntary parties all around! No place for social biological or psychological factors in describing behavior! Just use the earliest, basest, most simplistic formula devised in the field, and deduct ad infinitum from there!


Well done, Menino80, you're learning to fit in here at last.
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Menino80



Joined: 10 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat_Elvis wrote:
Menino80 wrote:
geldedgoat wrote:
Menino80 wrote:
I hear that! If workers are willing to lay down their lives to more efficiently chase prices, so be it!!!! No rent seeking here!!!


Again, I see no outrage for any of the jobs topping the 'most dangerous' lists.


You're right! Voluntary parties all around! No place for social biological or psychological factors in describing behavior! Just use the earliest, basest, most simplistic formula devised in the field, and deduct ad infinitum from there!


Well done, Menino80, you're learning to fit in here at last.


Huzzah!!!!
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goniff



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can understand the sentiment here

there's nothing worse than a cold pizza (unless it's as leftovers for breakfast)
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Junior



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

goniff wrote:
you can understand the sentiment here

there's nothing worse than a cold pizza (unless it's as leftovers for breakfast)


How many socks do you have exactly caniff?
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Menino80



Joined: 10 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

goniff is yiddish for thief but is also a general term of abuse.

i don't think "caniff" is yiddish but i could be wrong.
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