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Chokse
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| Imagine that! A Korean cheating. Shocking! |
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interestedinhanguk

Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:36 am Post subject: |
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진짜요? |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| interestedinhanguk wrote: |
진짜요? |
pwned! Thanks for the correction.  |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:27 am Post subject: |
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Op,
You seem to have lost sight of the number one cardinal rule in Korea:
(1) Education is a business. The parents are customers.
You are here for a business reason not an education reason. You are not a teacher. You are an employee.
NEVER tell your customers their kids are cheaters unless your boss specifically tells you to do so and I don't think there is a single boss in Korea who would do such a thing.
I made a similar mistake awhile back before I realized my role in Korea (that of an employee NOT that of a teacher): I used to grade children based on merit. Now I grade children based on what my employer wants to see. Everybody passes and 90% get an A. The rest get a B.
That's how they want it in Korea.
Eat humble pie then fall into line if you want to continue working in Korea. |
This (the education is a business) is true in SOME cases in Korea, partly accurate in other cases and not true at all in many other cases as it is a far too simplisitic way to discuss education in Korea.
Sure some Hakwons are business first, education second. However, many are both and many others yet are education-centered. All however need to produce some educational results or they simply go out of business.
On the not a teacher but an employee point. Thats amusing because a teacher IS an employee, wherever he may work. You CAN in fact be a TEACHER if YOU decide to work as a teacher. You CAN also be a paid monkey if YOU limit yourself to this.
The amusing thing is that in many cases, people hired to teach in Korea are not teachers in the first place, do not intend to teach as a career and have little interest in teaching. They want a "gig" that "lets them see the world and take a break from their lives". Korea encourages this with extremely low selection standards for its foreign teachers (visa requirements). The thing is, being a TEACHER is about training, education but also critically dependant on skills and the WILL to actually teach.
Understanding what it is to be a teacher is also critical here just like understanding your ROLE in a school and your PLACE at that school is important.
REDUCING Korean ESL to a BUSINESS and EMPLOYEE model is a cop out that gives people liscence to do less, to treat their jobs as a joke and to miss the entire train on what it is to be a TEACHER.
You want good hakwons dedicated to education...look around there are plenty. No need to name any either. I worked for 2 myself, and many others I know worked for or are currently working for such schools.
Wherever you work in ESL you CAN be a TEACHER. That is in the vast majority, up to you. |
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angma
Joined: 02 Jul 2007
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:18 am Post subject: Removed |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:53 am Post subject: |
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OP I can understand your frustration completely. I just hope you don't get to teach middleschoolers because their propensity to cheat is on a whole new level. It's like they're ingrained with it.
Then you'll really have to restrain yourself.
The parents are completely OTT. Once I declared to some middleschoolers that Neil Armstrong of spacewalk fame was a friend of mine, that I saw him regularly. They wanted me to prove it by producing
an autograph.
I had forgotten about it until I started getting regular reminders about the autograph. So I produced one. Of course they pronounced it a fake. All good healthy fun and encouraging to and fro.
Next thing I knew the director was in a huff since some parents instigated by a doyenne now accused me of making improper suggestions.
OP, any decent director knows that the foreign teacher will err from time to time in the sight of the crazy mothers. A competent director will shield and protect you from their interference. |
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Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:05 am Post subject: |
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First off, you made something so minor, so big. GhBusan is right, but you also need to know when to just let things slide. Because something are just not worth the fight. Find that balance of being a good teacher and giving yourself less stress.
Also if you boss is not going to go to bat for you. Cancel the class, they do not like it, get rid of the class. Ask the boss to change to it and say sorry I will not teach it, I will teach everything else but that one. You need to turn the tables on the parents. You need to show them that okay you will not teach their daughter along with the other students in her class. How long do you thing the other parents want no foreign teacher not teaching before they go to the complainers and tell them to shut up, or they leave the school making the boss think which is worse 1 student or 5 to 10 students leaving. True you might get fired or let go, but you will have had the power and you have the chance to poison the well, if you are fired, tell us all the name of the place. Finding a another teacher might be difficult for them.
Good Luck |
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Fat_Elvis

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: In the ghetto
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds to me like you should take another look at how you are assessing the performance of your students. Is it really that important to set tests for kindergarten students? Can't you just assess their performance based on a portfolio of work they produce in class, or using speaking assessments based on pairwork activities, or another kind of testing that can't be cheated on? And does it really matter if there's a bit of cheating in class? They're kindergarten students after all. |
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oldtrafford
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| Fat Elvis, perhaps it's the school that sets the tests. Cheating at any age is just wrong!! |
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oldtrafford
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| Wiltern, I was referring to the kid being a serial cheat in general. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| Fat_Elvis wrote: |
| Sounds to me like you should take another look at how you are assessing the performance of your students. Is it really that important to set tests for kindergarten students? Can't you just assess their performance based on a portfolio of work they produce in class, or using speaking assessments based on pairwork activities, or another kind of testing that can't be cheated on? And does it really matter if there's a bit of cheating in class? They're kindergarten students after all. |
Excellent post.
Our son was in Kindergarten last year and his assessements were based on his portfolio of activities along with a few exercises. Formalizing evaluations at this level is counter-productive. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Formalizing evaluations at this level is counter-productive. |
We all know that. It's the Korean parents that need telling. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:31 am Post subject: |
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I've been in Korea long enough to vote for the posts that said
1. Generally speaking hogwons are a business. Given a choice, keep the parents (typically the ajumas) happy even if what they want is not conducive to teaching.
2. Children cheat. They may or may not understand it in kindergarten but the FACT that they cheat at all educational levels (and oftentimes as adults) tells me its a cultural thing. |
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oldtrafford
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Sirus I agree. I've only ever taught adults and they cheat. I have had students in the past ask me for the test paper. I've known admin. pass on papers to their friends/ lovers. I kid you not. I think I'll write a book about the goings on at my place of work, when I leave Korea. Problem is nobody would believe me!! |
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angma
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:10 pm Post subject: Removed |
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