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Swampfox10mm
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 Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:59 pm Post subject: Fourth suicide at KAIST prompts scholarship changes |
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http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2934592
KAIST's president is really in the spotlight now. They used to offer scholarships to everyone but they changed recently to offer scholarships only to people who earned above a B average.
I have students begging for grades at my university. I can't imagine what it would have been like at KAIST. Especially since the students there represent the top 1 percent of Korea, and my students getting A's are the ones begging for an A+. Students at the higher levels represent the bulk of my complainers. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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If this guy caves to the will of a bunch of losers, he will lose my respect eternally.
Whining kids don't want to work hard and want their education for free. No such thing as a free lunch. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| That's a little harsh. I think a lot of these kids are used to failure or maybe I just can't afford it. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Things don't look so good in the South Korean university scene. |
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War Eagle
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Things don't look so good in the South Korean university scene. |
That's because 82% of high school students go on to college. Then, once they are in college, getting above a B average is easy.
Professors in a lot of Korean universities are afraid of losing their jobs. This was not the case a few years ago because being a university professor meant a job for life and many of them slacked off. Nowadays, due to a demand for higher standards of education, professors must get evaluated often and this includes student evaluations. Well, in an effort to increase student evaluation scores, a lot of professors hand out good grades like candy. It's a you scratch my back and I'll scratch your scenario.
That's why your students who have A's are begging for A+'s. A's just aren't that great and dont set you apart from other students.
Now, this leaves us with a nation where almost ALL of the young people go on to college and graduate with above a B average. WTF? Everyone can't be a doctor, lawyer or CEO, but they all think they can.
Now, to top it all off, when they get out of school, they don't want to accept a job doing "manual" labor. They want that dream office job, because their college degree cant be wasted working in a restaurant. However, the number of these jobs are very limited, leaving 1.3 million young college graduates currently unemployed in Korea. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| �Suh has a very childish and simple idea that if students feel burdened by scholarships based on grades, they would be able to concentrate on studying more,� Woo Hee-jong, professor of the College of Medicine at SNU, wrote on his Facebook page yesterday. �Education focusing on competition only is wrong.� |
Right, I mean why bother giving grades at all?? |
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| 6 million won is hilariously cheap compared to school stateside. If kids in the states were as weak and pathetic as your average Korean university student, 50% of university students would be jumping off of buildings and overdosing. |
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Horangi Munshin
Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Classic case of shift the blame. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| That's a little harsh. I think a lot of these kids are used to failure or maybe I just can't afford it. |
Argh! Burned by google voice again. I meant to say they are not used to failure, or maybe they just couldn't afford it. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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My friend told me typical K parents call down their own children when they fail. Call them a loser and whatnot.
They'd better get used to failure. After the fiasco that is high school and between military srrvice, these kids need a gap year culture,
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| That's a little harsh. I think a lot of these kids are used to failure or maybe I just can't afford it. |
Argh! Burned by google voice again. I meant to say they are not used to failure, or maybe they just couldn't afford it. |
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DaHu
Joined: 09 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| A scholarship for a B? Where do I sign up?! |
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Hyeon Een
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| BoholDiver wrote: |
My friend told me typical K parents call down their own children when they fail. Call them a loser and whatnot.
They'd better get used to failure. After the fiasco that is high school and between military srrvice, these kids need a gap year culture,
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Military service is the gap year(s) for guys =)
It's amazing how students change after doing military service. I've now been at my university long enough to know students both before and after military service. It makes them men. And they become 'men' at a lot younger age than I did haha.
Freshman male students are basically a joke though. The girls can be hit or miss, but the guys are generally useless as students in their freshmen year. (Exceptions, of course, exist) |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Is it the norm for student evaluations to be given before receiving their final grade? At my uni its the case and I thought it was the norm but perhaps its not.
Agree about freshmen. The reasoning from what I've heard is that its their 'freedom' year. The first time they can be out all night, they take up drinking and smoking. Many girls get their first perm, high heels and short skirt.
Before HS their free time is severely limited and they are under their parents roof. Even the ones that go to colleges in their home town and are still at home get more freedom to go out and can come back later or no curfew at all in a wink-wink I'm at a friends excuse child and parent(s) do. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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The university and president should NOT cave in on this issue. First of all, we're in the 21st century and Korea represents a technologically competitive economy. KAIST was created in the 70s to get the nation up to par in technological competence. Well, they made it.
So why should Korean students still get a free ride there, particularly if their grades aren't decent? As one poster already stated, 'A scholarship for a B? Sign me up!'
There are tech. universities in the US where students are competitive and extremely employable if they just graduate, even with a C average; these students pay tuition.
So if they don't want to pay based on grades, how about making every student pay on a graduated system? Freshmen pay full tuition; sophomores pay 75%; juniors pay 50%, and seniors pay 25%. Grad students can attend on scholarship based on competitive means of comparison. To stop people from just transfering in on the cheap, make it so that anyone's first year at the university pays full tuition, then 75% for the second year, etc...
Free tuition for Korean tech students at this point in Korea's development is unwarrented and unnecessary; the current president of KAIST should be supported, not attacked, especially from within his own ranks. |
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oldtrafford
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| University students here are by and large a brainless bunch, they'd barely pass a British Uni course!! Only a genius gets an A!!! |
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