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wintermute
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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| Butterfly wrote: |
| Well sure, wouldn't you be pissed off if your president filled his Swiss Bank accounts with the proceeds of natural resources from *your* country, while you and your countrymen eked out a living selling Chinese watches and cellphones? |
How would they feel if the end result of all that hard fighting was simply that someone else was helping themselves to their country's wealth? Betrayed?
How do US and UK citizens feel about the fact that the Federal Reserve and .. Band of England (?) are private for-profit banks sucking wealth out of their respective at a rate far greater than one despot could hope to match. Pissed off? They should be!
Shouldn't we consider that until we get cured of the parasites running our financial systems, whenever we try to spread democracy, we are also transmitting a debilitating, incurable disease? Imposing a crushing burden of debt that they can never be free of?
I'm not advocating any change of action - just an increase of awareness for all concerned. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| There is entirely too much common sense and not anywhere near enough free associating about secret groups with nefarious intent in that for me to pay it any serious attention. |
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| Butterfly wrote: |
| Well sure, wouldn't you be pissed off if your president filled his Swiss Bank accounts with the proceeds of natural resources from *your* country, while you and your countrymen eked out a living selling Chinese watches and cellphones? |
How would they feel if the end result of all that hard fighting was simply that someone else was helping themselves to their country's wealth? Betrayed?
How do US and UK citizens feel about the fact that the Federal Reserve and .. Band of England (?) are private for-profit banks sucking wealth out of their respective at a rate far greater than one despot could hope to match. Pissed off? They should be!
Shouldn't we consider that until we get cured of the parasites running our financial systems, whenever we try to spread democracy, we are also transmitting a debilitating, incurable disease? Imposing a crushing burden of debt that they can never be free of?
I'm not advocating any change of action - just an increase of awareness for all concerned. |
Now, now, how could you possibly think there are nefarious people behind the scenes attempting to manipulate events to their benefit? Don't you know that all you need is love and everyone is wonderful so stop bringing everyone down with your negative, depressing thoughts.
Instead, please think and post about raindrops on roses, whiskers on kittens, teddy bears, puppy dogs, and apple pie.
It's such a wonderful day, isn't it? Smile!  |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| wintermute wrote: |
| Butterfly wrote: |
| Well sure, wouldn't you be pissed off if your president filled his Swiss Bank accounts with the proceeds of natural resources from *your* country, while you and your countrymen eked out a living selling Chinese watches and cellphones? |
How would they feel if the end result of all that hard fighting was simply that someone else was helping themselves to their country's wealth? Betrayed?
How do US and UK citizens feel about the fact that the Federal Reserve and .. Band of England (?) are private for-profit banks sucking wealth out of their respective at a rate far greater than one despot could hope to match. Pissed off? They should be!
Shouldn't we consider that until we get cured of the parasites running our financial systems, whenever we try to spread democracy, we are also transmitting a debilitating, incurable disease? Imposing a crushing burden of debt that they can never be free of?
I'm not advocating any change of action - just an increase of awareness for all concerned. |
I'm in agreement with you about almost everything you have said except that bankers don't make members of my family disappear. I don't think it is anything like a perfect world, and everyone has some kind of agenda, agreed. Nobody knows how it will play out in Libya, and we can hope that things move in a democratic fashion, and try to facilitate that (as it seems to be what everyone there wants), but that is down to destiny. I'm just glad we didn't sit back and watch a massacre. Six months ago, if someone had told me that people would be waving America flags in Benghazi I'd have said they were nuts. We did the right thing, for once.
The Bank of England was nationalized in 1946 and remains a Government owned company. |
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wintermute
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| Butterfly wrote: |
| wintermute wrote: |
| Butterfly wrote: |
| Well sure, wouldn't you be pissed off if your president filled his Swiss Bank accounts with the proceeds of natural resources from *your* country, while you and your countrymen eked out a living selling Chinese watches and cellphones? |
How would they feel if the end result of all that hard fighting was simply that someone else was helping themselves to their country's wealth? Betrayed?
How do US and UK citizens feel about the fact that the Federal Reserve and .. Band of England (?) are private for-profit banks sucking wealth out of their respective at a rate far greater than one despot could hope to match. Pissed off? They should be!
Shouldn't we consider that until we get cured of the parasites running our financial systems, whenever we try to spread democracy, we are also transmitting a debilitating, incurable disease? Imposing a crushing burden of debt that they can never be free of?
I'm not advocating any change of action - just an increase of awareness for all concerned. |
I'm in agreement with you about almost everything you have said except that bankers don't make members of my family disappear. I don't think it is anything like a perfect world, and everyone has some kind of agenda, agreed. Nobody knows how it will play out in Libya, and we can hope that things move in a democratic fashion, and try to facilitate that (as it seems to be what everyone there wants), but that is down to destiny. I'm just glad we didn't sit back and watch a massacre. Six months ago, if someone had told me that people would be waving America flags in Benghazi I'd have said they were nuts. We did the right thing, for once.
The Bank of England was nationalized in 1946 and remains a Government owned company. |
I really, sincerely hope it works out for the Libyan people.
I also hope I'm being too cynical, but when it comes to the international bankers, cynicism is the new optimism; the reality is usually worse. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| wintermute wrote: |
| Butterfly wrote: |
| Well sure, wouldn't you be pissed off if your president filled his Swiss Bank accounts with the proceeds of natural resources from *your* country, while you and your countrymen eked out a living selling Chinese watches and cellphones? |
How would they feel if the end result of all that hard fighting was simply that someone else was helping themselves to their country's wealth? Betrayed?
How do US and UK citizens feel about the fact that the Federal Reserve and .. Band of England (?) are private for-profit banks sucking wealth out of their respective at a rate far greater than one despot could hope to match. Pissed off? They should be!
Shouldn't we consider that until we get cured of the parasites running our financial systems, whenever we try to spread democracy, we are also transmitting a debilitating, incurable disease? Imposing a crushing burden of debt that they can never be free of?
I'm not advocating any change of action - just an increase of awareness for all concerned. |
You're not the only participant of this thread who holds this opinion, but you've expressed it the most openly.
I think you've given some good grounds for suspicion against campaigning for democracy. But the United States and the West isn't exactly campaigning here, its providing limited, reluctant, and slightly belated assistance to an indigenous popular movement.
And yes, we have to figure out in the West how to deal with the problem of banksterism. But, that isn't much a defense of Qaddaffi's raw tyranny. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:59 am Post subject: |
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On the subject of Agendas:
China's Interest in Ghaddaffi
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/04/201141195046788263.html
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Only three days before UN Resolution 1973 was voted on, Gaddafi met with the ambassadors of BRICS members China, Russia and India, and told them, according to the JANA news agency: "We are ready to bring Chinese and Indian companies to replace Western ones." That may go a long way to explain the BRICS abstentions.
It would be tempting to see the Beijing leadership merrily watching Washington walk into another open-ended quagmire in a Muslim nation � part of a Chinese grand strategy of letting the US be distracted in peripheral Muslim countries in the arc from northern Africa to Central Asia.
Well, it is slightly more complicated than that.
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Eddy24
Joined: 13 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| wintermute wrote: |
| Butterfly wrote: |
| wintermute wrote: |
| Butterfly wrote: |
| Well sure, wouldn't you be pissed off if your president filled his Swiss Bank accounts with the proceeds of natural resources from *your* country, while you and your countrymen eked out a living selling Chinese watches and cellphones? |
How would they feel if the end result of all that hard fighting was simply that someone else was helping themselves to their country's wealth? Betrayed?
How do US and UK citizens feel about the fact that the Federal Reserve and .. Band of England (?) are private for-profit banks sucking wealth out of their respective at a rate far greater than one despot could hope to match. Pissed off? They should be!
Shouldn't we consider that until we get cured of the parasites running our financial systems, whenever we try to spread democracy, we are also transmitting a debilitating, incurable disease? Imposing a crushing burden of debt that they can never be free of?
I'm not advocating any change of action - just an increase of awareness for all concerned. |
I'm in agreement with you about almost everything you have said except that bankers don't make members of my family disappear. I don't think it is anything like a perfect world, and everyone has some kind of agenda, agreed. Nobody knows how it will play out in Libya, and we can hope that things move in a democratic fashion, and try to facilitate that (as it seems to be what everyone there wants), but that is down to destiny. I'm just glad we didn't sit back and watch a massacre. Six months ago, if someone had told me that people would be waving America flags in Benghazi I'd have said they were nuts. We did the right thing, for once.
The Bank of England was nationalized in 1946 and remains a Government owned company. |
I really, sincerely hope it works out for the Libyan people.
I also hope I'm being too cynical, but when it comes to the international bankers, cynicism is the new optimism; the reality is usually worse. |
How could anyone not hope it works out for the Libyan people?
We went into Libya as it is an oil-producing nation. Plus politically it's easy to whip enough pro-war fervour if an Arab nation is involved.
I mean there has been actual full-blown genocide e.g. Rwanda in the 90's where literally hundreds of thousands were killed. But the west did sweet F***-all to help them. Gaddafi is a horrible man but what he had does is insignificant in comparison to this. The west had been scratching his back before the war in order to keep the oil taps flowing, and now suddenly he's evil in our eyes again... ridiculous. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| I think you've given some good grounds for suspicion against campaigning for democracy. But the United States and the West isn't exactly campaigning here, its providing limited, reluctant, and slightly belated assistance to an indigenous popular movement. |
Al-Qaeda???  |
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