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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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Not to mention the moral issues I have with the existence of such products.
As for the way Korean girls dress: in general, Koreans don't seem that well-dressed to me. At first I thought it was just my city, but I haven't really seen many well-dressed people in Seoul either. Despite what some guys seem to think, Korean girls don't strike me as more attractive or better dressed than anyone else. Some of these guys just have issues, with themselves and with women lol. They are very often the last guy a sane girl would look twice at and yet they somehow feel entitled to judge women on their appearance. To the left, to the left... |
What moral issues?
I have to disagree and say that people in Seoul dress a lot smarter than people back home. I'm not a guy with issues. I just have an opinion on what i see. I've dated Korean and foreign girls while i've lived in Korea so i disprove your final statements too. |
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jfromtheway
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I remember walking around lost in Chiang Mai late at night and turning a corner to find about fifteen sparkly-dressed working girls arranged on stools staring right at me, their faces white as the moon with that whitening cream. The first word that came to mind was "spooky," the second was "jackpot." Kidding, they started screaming at me to come in and I quickly walked away, but I still can't seem to shed that Thai white-face dollhouse of ill repute image. |
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Michaela
Joined: 21 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Not to mention the moral issues I have with the existence of such products.
As for the way Korean girls dress: in general, Koreans don't seem that well-dressed to me. At first I thought it was just my city, but I haven't really seen many well-dressed people in Seoul either. Despite what some guys seem to think, Korean girls don't strike me as more attractive or better dressed than anyone else. Some of these guys just have issues, with themselves and with women lol. They are very often the last guy a sane girl would look twice at and yet they somehow feel entitled to judge women on their appearance. To the left, to the left... |
What moral issues?
I have to disagree and say that people in Seoul dress a lot smarter than people back home. I'm not a guy with issues. I just have an opinion on what i see. I've dated Korean and foreign girls while i've lived in Korea so i disprove your final statements too. |
Moral issues? Someone whitening their skin in an effort to be considered more beautiful is something that makes a lot of people uncomfortable. I feel the same way about plastic surgery and some people's obsession with tanning. None of it seems quite right to me, but that's just me.
I never said you had issues - I said some of these judgemental guys have issues. Most of the North American girls I know aren't anything like the way some guys make them out to be. I think the way they are sometimes stereotyped and put down is disrespectful and often says more about the person making the comments than about the girls. I don't know where some guys get off speaking about women that way.
I don't have a problem with how people dress in Seoul, but I don't think they dress better than in most other big cities around the world. |
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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Moral issues? Someone whitening their skin in an effort to be considered more beautiful is something that makes a lot of people uncomfortable. I feel the same way about plastic surgery and some people's obsession with tanning. None of it seems quite right to me, but that's just me. |
Then where do you draw the line? Is wearing make up all right. Is dying your hair?
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| I said some of these judgemental guys have issues. Most of the North American girls I know aren't anything like the way some guys make them out to be. I think the way they are sometimes stereotyped and put down is disrespectful and often says more about the person making the comments than about the girls. I don't know where some guys get off speaking about women that way. |
Seems to me you are just as judgmental as the guys you are referring to.
Pot, meet kettle. |
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Michaela
Joined: 21 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| Moral issues? Someone whitening their skin in an effort to be considered more beautiful is something that makes a lot of people uncomfortable. I feel the same way about plastic surgery and some people's obsession with tanning. None of it seems quite right to me, but that's just me. |
Then where do you draw the line? Is wearing make up all right. Is dying your hair?
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| I said some of these judgemental guys have issues. Most of the North American girls I know aren't anything like the way some guys make them out to be. I think the way they are sometimes stereotyped and put down is disrespectful and often says more about the person making the comments than about the girls. I don't know where some guys get off speaking about women that way. |
Seems to me you are just as judgmental as the guys you are referring to.
Pot, meet kettle. |
Yeah, there is a line. Make-up and dye can be washed off. More permanent measures can't and come with much bigger potential health issues. To each his own. I just question the social norms that lead to people making these decisions.
I'm actually not a judgemental person at all, but I don't allow myself to be disrespected and if that makes me judgemental in your eyes, then so be it. However, what does that make you for calling me judgemental?  |
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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| However, what does that make you for calling me judgemental? |
It makes me observant.  |
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Michaela
Joined: 21 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| A friend explained it to me like this: it actually doesn't whiten your skin, per se, but the chemicals in the products act to speed up the melatonin cells....For example, if you get a tan, then put that cream on, it would quicken the turnover time where the healthy cells would regenerate, thus turning your skin lighter. Does that make sense? So if you just keep on adding and adding it, it will quickly turn over the cells, or possibly prevent them from getting "tan," or something like that. I was told it's not legal here to sell products with, say, bleach, to make your skin literally whiter, but I'm sure that doesn't stop companies from doing it... |
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JeffersonDarcy2010
Joined: 05 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 2:26 am Post subject: |
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Not to mention the moral issues I have with the existence of such products.
As for the way Korean girls dress: in general, Koreans don't seem that well-dressed to me. At first I thought it was just my city, but I haven't really seen many well-dressed people in Seoul either. Despite what some guys seem to think, Korean girls don't strike me as more attractive or better dressed than anyone else. Some of these guys just have issues, with themselves and with women lol. They are very often the last guy a sane girl would look twice at and yet they somehow feel entitled to judge women on their appearance. To the left, to the left... |
What moral issues?
I have to disagree and say that people in Seoul dress a lot smarter than people back home. I'm not a guy with issues. I just have an opinion on what i see. I've dated Korean and foreign girls while i've lived in Korea so i disprove your final statements too. |
You take the best dressed American girls and the best dressed Korean girls - Koreans will be so far behind that no one will even notice they are there. (In my opinion and all other foreigners I personally know here think the same). |
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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| You take the best dressed American girls and the best dressed Korean girls - Koreans will be so far behind that no one will even notice they are there. (In my opinion and all other foreigners I personally know here think the same). |
I see your point. What i was trying to say was that in general Koreans dress smarter than people from back home. Take 10 random people from Seoul and 10 random people from back home and I think the Seoulites would be considered the better dressed overall. |
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JeffersonDarcy2010
Joined: 05 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| You take the best dressed American girls and the best dressed Korean girls - Koreans will be so far behind that no one will even notice they are there. (In my opinion and all other foreigners I personally know here think the same). |
I see your point. What i was trying to say was that in general Koreans dress smarter than people from back home. Take 10 random people from Seoul and 10 random people from back home and I think the Seoulites would be considered the better dressed overall. |
Hmmm... I also see your point, but the comparison should be fair - you have to contrast Seoulites with Manhattanites, then obviously Seoulites will be outmatched.
Also, one big difference is that Americans tend to dress up for occasion - there is no need to wear shiny clothes and high heels to take the garbage out, but when they go out, they put on the kind of clothes that Koreans can't even dream of. |
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ktkates87
Joined: 13 Apr 2010
Location: Busan
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Wow i had no intention for a thread on whitening products to turn into a new Korean ladies vs. North American ladies.
My problem with the whole "I want my women to look feminine, like the Korean women do" statement is this:
Do you as a Western man wear a 3 piece suit to the grocery store? I'm going to agree with some of the other posters that say that female Westerners dress for the occasion. I don't dress for the opera to go to the Buy the Way and I don't get how that makes me sloppy! If I was going to the opera I would dress for the opera and I'm sure I'd look like the kind of "feminine" you're talking about. I'm also not sporting one of these rock necklaces another guy on here was mentioning and I'm a Canadian. I feel for the ladies out there trying to date Western boys who think their girls need to dress like the Korean women in order to look like a lady....but then again, different strokes for different folks. |
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PastorYoon
Joined: 25 Jun 2010
Location: Sea of Japan
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| I feel for the ladies out there trying to date Western boys who think their girls need to dress like the Korean women in order to look like a lady... |
Actually sweatpants can look feminine, cute, and sexy in the appropriate situation. There is a time and place for every type of clothing. I agree with other posters that many Koreans look like they're trying too hard. On top of that, just wearing a skirt and heels doesn't necessarily make you a well-dressed and good-looking person. Now it's getting warmer; many Koreans will put the pantyhose away for the summer, and we will all observe the "beautiful" (  ) combination of short skirts and pale, bruised, scratched, and mosquito bitten legs. But I guess it's better this way than to get a little tan, right?  |
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Mariella713
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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I once had a Korean gf that was big on the whitening products. I'm not a pale guy, but if it's been a while since I've been on a beach, I can get pretty white.
So for jokes, one day I put some of her whitening cream on my hand. Holy crap... imagine a French mime. It was odd to see my own hand able to get that white. It took a while for it to even back out, so that means were you to use it, make sure you wash/cover the whole area or you'll see different tones and shades, haha.
I've seen some Korean girls go pretty white. But as long as they blend the face and neck together, it works for them. Just like you see Korean guys wearing the skin tight jeans and Korean girls wearing blouses with fringe going all the way up to the neck line that they button... it just works for them. Korean girls dress more attractive and "fashionable" than any other group of women I've met, but if white girl tried to wear their clothes, she'd look ridiculous. |
I personally think Londoners, French and Italians are the best dressed. They are all noted for their good fashion sense. It's funny how you say the entire caucasian race would look comparable to quasimodo wearing "korean fashion clothes", yet a lot of their styles have been heavily influenced by other countries trends and fads...hee hee.
BTW Korean skin whitening cosmetics and skincare lines do not bleach your skin (unless you see specific bleaching ingredients of course, which I have never come across in all the Korean skincare and makeup I've purchased). They brighten the complexion and fade sun spots etc...over time by increasing the cell turnover rate. You won't wake up the next morning looking like Michael Jackson.  |
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decolyon
Joined: 24 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I feel for the ladies out there trying to date Western boys who think their girls need to dress like the Korean women in order to look like a lady... |
Actually sweatpants can look feminine, cute, and sexy in the appropriate situation. There is a time and place for every type of clothing. I agree with other posters that many Koreans look like they're trying too hard. On top of that, just wearing a skirt and heels doesn't necessarily make you a well-dressed and good-looking person. Now it's getting warmer; many Koreans will put the pantyhose away for the summer, and we will all observe the "beautiful" ( ) combination of short skirts and pale, bruised, scratched, and mosquito bitten legs. But I guess it's better this way than to get a little tan, right? |
No, they cannot. I'm seeing a lot of guys on here that seem to like their women a bit "butch" or "manish." That's fine. I don't judge. But I prefer my gf not own any clothing that I could possibly fit into in a pinch.
Now, as for appropriate situations... if it's 8am and she's going to an early morning class at uni, yeah I saw loads of girls in jeans and hoodies. It's fine for class, but it didn't mean I found them attractive. In fact, with their hair in a pony tail and no makeup on, it was hard to tell how many girls were in the class. And whoever said that Koreans get dressed up to take the trash or whatever... no they don't. You're exaggerating to compensate for your own laziness. Just because you throw on whatever's on the floor to go to work in, doesn't mean everyone else does.
Now, I never said Koreans were more fashionable that Europeans. I've said they're the most fashionable I've ever seen. I haven't been to Europe, so I can't comment on how they dress. I have been all over Asia and the American continents and I stand by my original claim. Especially with American and Canadian women. There is a serious lack of femininity with that bunch. If it's a club night or a wedding or something, yeah they'll look nice. But day-to-day Korean women (Japanese too) will look nicer, more feminine, and better dressed than your average North American girl. And that is the point I was making. |
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