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[Carbon]

[crescent]

Ow! Another half-wit jab! So are we to expect that this type of reply, and a fetish for all things apple is all you have ?

[Captain Corea]

[SeoulNate]

The same could be said for anything that people argue about: sports, religion, love etc.

We argue because it gives us something to do and, for some of us, we would like to change the misconceptions out there.

Personally, I will argue against apple every single time simply because of their price point on computers. It is a fact that the internal components are exactly the same on any mac computer as they are on any big name PC manufacturer. However, mac fan-boys will somehow dispute this fact to the death. If you bought a Mac, the simple fact is that you probably paid 500-1200$ for a shiny case. If you really like macOS, buy it and install on another computer, you will save yourself a crap ton of money.

I have no problem saying that apple makes a nice OS. They really do, and if that is your cup of tea, then choose whatever makes you happy. Windows and MacOS both have their strong points.

I do have a problem when people defend mac as a superior computer based on no evidence whatsoever. The only evidence they bring up is for macOS, not the actual build of the computer.

I would just like to have a few mac owners really come out and say why they spent such a large amount of money on their shiny new tech, because A) they knew nothing about computers and having a mac was 'cool' or B) to show it off at the coffee shop.

[Chokse]

I'll answer your question. I love the Mac OS. It's pretty much that simple. It is a pleasure to use and I find it very intuitive. I feel nothing but stress when I am on Windows.

I am willing to pay money for that kind of stress-free life. I'm not paying for shiny cases or glowing apples. I'm paying for a smooth, classy, modern, and intuitive OS.

Now, you can hate me for that or call me a fan boy for that, and that's fine, I don't care. If you look at my post history, I have always stated that the reason I use a Mac is because of the software, not the hardware, and I that I have enough money to spend on things that make my life easier and more stress free. It's why I also pay $200 for Dropbox. It's also the reason I have been paying $100 a year for MobileMe. It's a lot of money, but it makes my life so much easier. I don't mind spending money on things that just work and make my already busy life a little less difficult.

And as usual, rather than accept that argument, Windows users come back and criticize that all I care about is the shiny case. They can't seem to understand that it's all about the OS.

Now, I know you'll say that I could just buy a PC and put the Mac OS on it, but it is not that simple. Doing this can bring all sorts of headaches when you need to change hardware or when new system updates are released. I want easy and stress free. I don't want downtime because a new update screwed everything up. And, most importantly, I am willing to pay a premium for this.

I would have much less of a dislike for Windows users if they would simply accept the fact that most Mac users are not using a Mac because it is shiny. That's a ridiculous argument. They are using a Mac because they find the OS to be superior, and they have enough common sense to realize that buying something that is cheap does not necessarily make it better. I know lots of people like Windows, and that's fine. And if they can get a cheap computer and be happy with it, that's fine. I also know (personally) lots of people using Windows who are frustrated as hell most of the time because things don't always work as they should. I, and many other Mac users, wish to avoid this. There are certain inherent advantages to having the same company make the hardware and software.

[SeoulNate]

Are you serious? Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

[SeoulNate]

[Chokse]

No company makes its own hardware. You know that. Don't be daft. Apple chooses which hardware to use and therefore, the OS works with it correctly. Windows makes an OS that is supposed to work with everything, but for obvious reasons, cannot. Why should I have to tolerate that?

It's the same reason we're not seeing large numbers of big-name apps on Android. There are too many different Android devices using different hardware and screen sizes. It becomes too difficult for developers to make something that works for everyone. One of the reasons big-name developers like iOS is because the hardware is limited and they can make apps that work correctly for all devices. Don't believe me? Google it and read the interviews with developers. They have been very clear about this.

I really don't see how you are not getting this. I don't care that the hardware costs more. I'm buying a solid product with a solid OS. It is an OS that allows me to do my work and make money, all without having to deal with crap. I can type twice as fast on an Apple Keyboard than I can on Windows keyboards. By and large, PC keyboards have a horrible tactile feel and response. I can't use trackpad gestures with most PCs, and even when I can, they are limited at best. I get things done much faster when working on the Mac (and yes, we have two PCs in the house so I am familiar and I have used them, much as I hate it).

This all goes back to the same argument people never understood about the original iPod. Everyone always argued that you could get cheaper and better hardware from another company. Yet, the iPod became the most popular mass storage MP3 player in the world. Why? It wasn't because of the hardware. It was because of the software and the user experience.

So, roll on the floor all you need. I understand that for you, funds are limited and you probably can't afford furniture to roll around on.

[denverdeath]

one other thing that should be noted, which no one has as of yet, is that a PC does not always equal M$ either...you can put other OSs on a PC no problem.

But, back to the seemingly PHONE argument here...I have an iPhone. It's good, except for the apparently faulty hardware - blasted homekey ain't working well these days and I've only had it for about six months! Yes, the OS is fine, and I'm relatively happy with it...not much more happy than I was with the LG phone I had prior to this one though. And, I'm sure that I would be saying the same if I had an S2 in my hand...well, maybe not. When my contract is up in 1.5 yrs, I'm sure I'll either have a Galaxy S10 or an iPhone 10 in my hand anyway.

[Chokse]

Agreed. A PC is just hardware, but Windows and Mac are the only two operating systems that have any real selection of software to run on them. Linux, Chrome OS, and others do not have this wide selection of software from which to choose. That makes a huge difference in what people choose.

And, because of mainboard differences, it is not an absolutely simple process to install Mac on a PC or Windows on a Mac.

On the Mac, you basically have to have OSX installed to run Windows. Without OSX there to begin the boot process, you can't reach the Windows boot. Maybe there's a way around this, but I haven't come across it. While it's not a huge issue, it does eat up 5 or 6 GB of drive space for no good reason.

And, I know you can install Mac OSX on a run of the mill PC, but it is not as simple as drop in the install DVD and let it go. There are all kinds of things that must be taken into account. You have to have the right hardware, or you won't be able to get drivers that will work. This means the right mainboard, graphics card, sound card, etc. Also, you do have to change some configurations on the computer itself to allow OSX to boot (flashing and whatnot). Finally, when new updates to OSX come out, there is no guarantee they will function properly with the Hackintosh. For example, when Lion comes out, it will no doubt take several months before the Hackintosh community has all the issues worked out to allow it to work correctly.

For some people, that might be fun to tinker with, but I don't want to tinker with my computer any more than I want to tinker with my car. I want my car to get me from point A to point B without breaking down. I want my computer to allow me to get my work down without causing me problems. This is why I don't want to use a Hackintosh. I want to use OSX because I feel I am much more productive when using it. It is comfortable for me to use, and except for some Korean websites that insist on using ActiveX, I have not found anything that I need to do that can be done any better or any easier on Windows. Would I like Apple to charge less, of course. But, using OSX is important to me for the reasons stated above, and I don't feel a Hackintosh would benefit me in this regard. There are just too many potential problems with them for a person who just wants to use his computer to get some work done.

[SeoulNate]

[SeoulNate]

Here is a good read for you.

I built a similar one for my GF a few months ago. ZERO problems.

http://www.mattbrandenburg.com/2010/08/12/build-your-own-i7-hackintosh-system-for-862-that-will-run-with-apples-new-2499-mac-pro/

[Chokse]

Maybe you can't read. As I have stated over and over, I DON'T WANT A HACKINTOSH AND I DON'T WANT TO USE WINDOWS, BUT I DO WANT TO USE MAC OSX.

Is that clear enough for you? That is the reason I am willing to pay more. I don't want a Hackintosh (I have friends who have them and they have far more problems and issues that I ever have) and I don't want to use Windows.

Why do people buy $5 cups of coffee? I find that to be a waste of money and I think the people who pay it are being ripped off. If you need caffein, buy a can of Mt. Dew. It's less than $1 and has lots of caffein. If you like the taste of coffee, brew it at home and bring it with you in a thermos. There's no reason for anyone to pay $5 for a cup of coffee, yet they do, and do so in large numbers.

If they want to spend money on coffee, that's fine. It's their money and their right. Who the hell am I to tell them they're wrong? SeoulNate, I'm sure there's all kinds of crap that you spend money on that I never would. I'd find it a complete waste of my money. But, it's YOUR money. You can do whatever the hell you want with it. If you want to light it on fire, that's your choice and you don't have to defend it to me or anyone else!

Why does it bother you so much that people are willing to pay more for a computer than you are? Why aren't you bitching about people who buy tickets on Korean Air when they could pay less to fly on another airline? Granted, they might not get equal service, but they'll still reach their destination in the same amount of time. Why not bitch about people who go out to clubs and drink. They could just buy booze at the convenience store and sit out front. It's far cheaper.

Who the hell are you to criticize people for what they spend money on. If I think a gold toilet is going to make my ass feel better, then it's my right to buy the damn thing, whether you like it or not.

Your constant need for people to justify why they are willing to spend "X" amount on this or that only makes it seem like you are angry at anyone who might have more money that you.

It seems as though your hounding on this issue will never end. Even if someone were to agree with you and say, "yeah, dude, we're getting screwed, so I'm gonna make a Hackintosh and then buy a copy of Mac OSX to load on it", you'd probably start criticizing that person for being "dumb enough to pay for OSX when they can just download it for free." You'll never be satisfied with any answer other than the one you want to hear.

It's just impossible for you to understand that people will pay whatever they think something is worth to them. It doesn't matter if it is a cup of coffee or a computer. People will pay what they are comfortable paying, and I have yet to find any Mac user who has sat around bitching and moaning that they paid too much for their computer. Every Mac owner I've met has been quite happy with his/her purchase. You can call that fanboyism or Kook-Aid, or whatever the hell you want to call it. It doesn't matter because they one thing I have noticed about most Mac users, is that they feel they have gotten value for their money, and in the end, that's all that matters.

[Chokse]

OK, I read your link about the Hackintosh. Did you? It is filled with dozens of fairly confusing steps, and even points out that your audio might not work and if it doesn't you have to go through a further 7 or 8 steps. It also says that when you try the install it might not work because you are using a drive from an incompatible computer, and in that case you'll need to go to the BIOS to make changes.

This is exactly the crap that I don't want to deal with and I will happily pay thousands of dollars to not have to deal with this.

When I buy a new Mac, there is only one step. Push the power button. Can't get much easier than that, and to me, that is priceless.

[SeoulNate]

lol whatever, I am done trying to help. Keep drinking the apple Kool Aid.

I personally have built 3 different hackintoshes and have never had a single problem with any of them.