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ChrisLamp
Joined: 27 Jul 2010
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 Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:51 am Post subject: Trust issues. |
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Today I kicked a kid out of my class because after telling numerous times to play the games by the rules he mocked me to my face in front of the other children. (that "uuuuh uhhh" kinda sneering mocking tone). this boy is a constant disruption and the boss knows about his behaviour problems.
Anyway, about a minute after I kick him out the boss is in my class, saying the kid is telling a different story, the exact opposite story. Apparently I had been mocking him. Fine, I step into the hall and explain the situation to the boss. This is the part where he calls the kid on his lie, right? Wrong. He goes into the class and asks the other kids what went on. He knows I don't understand korean, but I was 100% able to follow the exchange. He asked the kids who was mocking who and they tell him it was the kid, not me.
So the boss tells me he's figured out that the kid is lying (no shit) and that he'll be removed for the rest of the class (ok.)
I walked away form the whole thing feeling like shit. My boss has no reason not to trust me, but more importantly, I have no reason to lie about this kid's behaviour! What would I gain from this?
I really wanted to confront my boss. "Why don't you take me at my word?" etc. If this was my first couple of months here I would have, but I've got less than 100 days left here, I figure it's not worth the fight. Also I'm getting pretty used to things in Korea not making sense. But *beep*, it still burns. Trust the word of a fucking ten year old over your employee? I feel like maybe it's cultural. Like he automatically will trust a Korean over a waygook. |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Aye man, that stings. I had a friend who actually came pretty close to losing his job after a student accused him of flippin' the bird. Thankfully in the end another student in the class came forward and told the head teacher privately it was total BS. |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Trust issues. |
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| ChrisLamp wrote: |
Today I kicked a kid out of my class because after telling numerous times to play the games by the rules he mocked me to my face in front of the other children. (that "uuuuh uhhh" kinda sneering mocking tone). this boy is a constant disruption and the boss knows about his behaviour problems.
Anyway, about a minute after I kick him out the boss is in my class, saying the kid is telling a different story, the exact opposite story. Apparently I had been mocking him. Fine, I step into the hall and explain the situation to the boss. This is the part where he calls the kid on his lie, right? Wrong. He goes into the class and asks the other kids what went on. He knows I don't understand korean, but I was 100% able to follow the exchange. He asked the kids who was mocking who and they tell him it was the kid, not me.
So the boss tells me he's figured out that the kid is lying (no shit) and that he'll be removed for the rest of the class (ok.)
I walked away form the whole thing feeling like shit. My boss has no reason not to trust me, but more importantly, I have no reason to lie about this kid's behaviour! What would I gain from this?
I really wanted to confront my boss. "Why don't you take me at my word?" etc. If this was my first couple of months here I would have, but I've got less than 100 days left here, I figure it's not worth the fight. Also I'm getting pretty used to things in Korea not making sense. But *beep*, it still burns. Trust the word of a fucking ten year old over your employee? I feel like maybe it's cultural. Like he automatically will trust a Korean over a waygook. |
Wrong -- not cultural at all -- it is your boss being a tool. I had a very similar situation happen to me in the US -- kicked a kid out of class for swearing (the f-bomb, no less!), and had the principal bring the kid right back to class, telling me that the kid said he didn't say it...and sure enough, the principal polled the class to see if anyone else heard him say it.... As the kid I kicked out was also a bully, no one in the class would speak against him...and so the kid got put back in his seat....
It sucks, but it isn't a cultural thing. It is just that your boss is a tool -- happens everywhere, and it sucks everywhere that it happens.... |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:39 am Post subject: Re: Trust issues. |
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| ChrisLamp wrote: |
Today I kicked a kid out of my class because after telling numerous times to play the games by the rules he mocked me to my face in front of the other children. (that "uuuuh uhhh" kinda sneering mocking tone). this boy is a constant disruption and the boss knows about his behaviour problems.
Anyway, about a minute after I kick him out the boss is in my class, saying the kid is telling a different story, the exact opposite story. Apparently I had been mocking him. Fine, I step into the hall and explain the situation to the boss. This is the part where he calls the kid on his lie, right? Wrong. He goes into the class and asks the other kids what went on. He knows I don't understand korean, but I was 100% able to follow the exchange. He asked the kids who was mocking who and they tell him it was the kid, not me.
So the boss tells me he's figured out that the kid is lying (no shit) and that he'll be removed for the rest of the class (ok.)
I walked away form the whole thing feeling like shit. My boss has no reason not to trust me, but more importantly, I have no reason to lie about this kid's behaviour! What would I gain from this?
I really wanted to confront my boss. "Why don't you take me at my word?" etc. If this was my first couple of months here I would have, but I've got less than 100 days left here, I figure it's not worth the fight. Also I'm getting pretty used to things in Korea not making sense. But *beep*, it still burns. Trust the word of a fucking ten year old over your employee? I feel like maybe it's cultural. Like he automatically will trust a Korean over a waygook. |
You shouldn't be over sensitive about this.
Your boss interviewed the class. They confirmed what you said. Your boss supported you by removing the kid from the class for the rest of the day - a severe punishment in Korea. The student and the rest of the class know that they will be punished for mocking and that your boss supported you on this. Some of your students will now want to stay on the good side of authority though, so some of them may become annoying tattlers.
You should take this as a win. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Trust issues. |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| ChrisLamp wrote: |
Today I kicked a kid out of my class because after telling numerous times to play the games by the rules he mocked me to my face in front of the other children. (that "uuuuh uhhh" kinda sneering mocking tone). this boy is a constant disruption and the boss knows about his behaviour problems.
Anyway, about a minute after I kick him out the boss is in my class, saying the kid is telling a different story, the exact opposite story. Apparently I had been mocking him. Fine, I step into the hall and explain the situation to the boss. This is the part where he calls the kid on his lie, right? Wrong. He goes into the class and asks the other kids what went on. He knows I don't understand korean, but I was 100% able to follow the exchange. He asked the kids who was mocking who and they tell him it was the kid, not me.
So the boss tells me he's figured out that the kid is lying (no shit) and that he'll be removed for the rest of the class (ok.)
I walked away form the whole thing feeling like shit. My boss has no reason not to trust me, but more importantly, I have no reason to lie about this kid's behaviour! What would I gain from this?
I really wanted to confront my boss. "Why don't you take me at my word?" etc. If this was my first couple of months here I would have, but I've got less than 100 days left here, I figure it's not worth the fight. Also I'm getting pretty used to things in Korea not making sense. But *beep*, it still burns. Trust the word of a fucking ten year old over your employee? I feel like maybe it's cultural. Like he automatically will trust a Korean over a waygook. |
You shouldn't be over sensitive about this.
Your boss interviewed the class. They confirmed what you said. Your boss supported you by removing the kid from the class for the rest of the day - a severe punishment in Korea. The student and the rest of the class know that they will be punished for mocking and that your boss supported you on this. Some of your students will now want to stay on the good side of authority though, so some of them may become annoying tattlers.
You should take this as a win. |
No to mention that by doing this in front of the rest of the class, your boss showed the kids that when you punish someone, its for real.
That disruptive kid also lost a bit of face there with his little buddies.
From the sound of it, your boss did not do much wrong here and it seems you are reacting a bit strongly.
Heck the class backed you up and so did your boss, PUBLICLY.
Thats one for the teachers win colum! |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Trust issues. |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| ChrisLamp wrote: |
Today I kicked a kid out of my class because after telling numerous times to play the games by the rules he mocked me to my face in front of the other children. (that "uuuuh uhhh" kinda sneering mocking tone). this boy is a constant disruption and the boss knows about his behaviour problems.
Anyway, about a minute after I kick him out the boss is in my class, saying the kid is telling a different story, the exact opposite story. Apparently I had been mocking him. Fine, I step into the hall and explain the situation to the boss. This is the part where he calls the kid on his lie, right? Wrong. He goes into the class and asks the other kids what went on. He knows I don't understand korean, but I was 100% able to follow the exchange. He asked the kids who was mocking who and they tell him it was the kid, not me.
So the boss tells me he's figured out that the kid is lying (no shit) and that he'll be removed for the rest of the class (ok.)
I walked away form the whole thing feeling like shit. My boss has no reason not to trust me, but more importantly, I have no reason to lie about this kid's behaviour! What would I gain from this?
I really wanted to confront my boss. "Why don't you take me at my word?" etc. If this was my first couple of months here I would have, but I've got less than 100 days left here, I figure it's not worth the fight. Also I'm getting pretty used to things in Korea not making sense. But *beep*, it still burns. Trust the word of a fucking ten year old over your employee? I feel like maybe it's cultural. Like he automatically will trust a Korean over a waygook. |
You shouldn't be over sensitive about this.
Your boss interviewed the class. They confirmed what you said. Your boss supported you by removing the kid from the class for the rest of the day - a severe punishment in Korea. The student and the rest of the class know that they will be punished for mocking and that your boss supported you on this. Some of your students will now want to stay on the good side of authority though, so some of them may become annoying tattlers.
You should take this as a win. |
No to mention that by doing this in front of the rest of the class, your boss showed the kids that when you punish someone, its for real.
That disruptive kid also lost a bit of face there with his little buddies.
From the sound of it, your boss did not do much wrong here and it seems you are reacting a bit strongly.
Heck the class backed you up and so did your boss, PUBLICLY.
Thats one for the teachers win colum! |
No, not so. What the boss has done has shown the students that the boss will take their word over that of the FT. Just because the class backed him this time doesn't mean it will always be so.
This is one reason why hagwon teachers can have such problems with
classroom control. The boss/school will not support them.
But I agree about not being over sensitive over this. It's typical hogwon
BS. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:12 am Post subject: Re: Trust issues. |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| ChrisLamp wrote: |
Today I kicked a kid out of my class because after telling numerous times to play the games by the rules he mocked me to my face in front of the other children. (that "uuuuh uhhh" kinda sneering mocking tone). this boy is a constant disruption and the boss knows about his behaviour problems.
Anyway, about a minute after I kick him out the boss is in my class, saying the kid is telling a different story, the exact opposite story. Apparently I had been mocking him. Fine, I step into the hall and explain the situation to the boss. This is the part where he calls the kid on his lie, right? Wrong. He goes into the class and asks the other kids what went on. He knows I don't understand korean, but I was 100% able to follow the exchange. He asked the kids who was mocking who and they tell him it was the kid, not me.
So the boss tells me he's figured out that the kid is lying (no shit) and that he'll be removed for the rest of the class (ok.)
I walked away form the whole thing feeling like shit. My boss has no reason not to trust me, but more importantly, I have no reason to lie about this kid's behaviour! What would I gain from this?
I really wanted to confront my boss. "Why don't you take me at my word?" etc. If this was my first couple of months here I would have, but I've got less than 100 days left here, I figure it's not worth the fight. Also I'm getting pretty used to things in Korea not making sense. But *beep*, it still burns. Trust the word of a fucking ten year old over your employee? I feel like maybe it's cultural. Like he automatically will trust a Korean over a waygook. |
You shouldn't be over sensitive about this.
Your boss interviewed the class. They confirmed what you said. Your boss supported you by removing the kid from the class for the rest of the day - a severe punishment in Korea. The student and the rest of the class know that they will be punished for mocking and that your boss supported you on this. Some of your students will now want to stay on the good side of authority though, so some of them may become annoying tattlers.
You should take this as a win. |
No to mention that by doing this in front of the rest of the class, your boss showed the kids that when you punish someone, its for real.
That disruptive kid also lost a bit of face there with his little buddies.
From the sound of it, your boss | | | | |
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