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Porksta
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 Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:21 pm Post subject: Different Dress Codes for M/F? |
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I just had a question regarding my school's newly implemented dress code. Men can no longer wear jeans and must wear a nice shirt (collared or the like). This is no problem for me as that is what I figured the dress code would be like but it turned out to be more lax and I started occasionally wearing jeans.
However, my female coworker is allowed to continue dressing like a *beep*. Maybe *beep* is too strong a word, but she doesn't dress professionally (in the US sense) or close to it. I think yesterday she wore pants for the first time, usually she wears shorts. Some times she wears a low cut dress, other times some backless and sleeveless top. Yet apparently that is okay. The Korean workers tend to dress a bit more conservatively, but not her. We have a seminar tomorrow for the parent's and us men were told to wear a suit and tie. Guess what? She is fine the way she is.
What gives? Is this a Korean thing where men are held to higher standards? I have started growing a beard because she's allowed to have a tongue and nose stud, I'm gonna be pissed off (more so) if they tell me I have to shave and she is okay the way she is. |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Different Dress Codes for M/F? |
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| Porksta wrote: |
I just had a question regarding my school's newly implemented dress code. Men can no longer wear jeans and must wear a nice shirt (collared or the like). This is no problem for me as that is what I figured the dress code would be like but it turned out to be more lax and I started occasionally wearing jeans.
However, my female coworker is allowed to continue dressing like a *beep*. Maybe *beep* is too strong a word, but she doesn't dress professionally (in the US sense) or close to it. I think yesterday she wore pants for the first time, usually she wears shorts. Some times she wears a low cut dress, other times some backless and sleeveless top. Yet apparently that is okay. The Korean workers tend to dress a bit more conservatively, but not her. We have a seminar tomorrow for the parent's and us men were told to wear a suit and tie. Guess what? She is fine the way she is.
What gives? Is this a Korean thing where men are held to higher standards? I have started growing a beard because she's allowed to have a tongue and nose stud, I'm gonna be pissed off (more so) if they tell me I have to shave and she is okay the way she is. |
I'm not sure I quite understand this post. You're complaining?  |
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Porksta
Joined: 05 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| She's not attractive. Even if she was, it is principle. She has not once dressed better than me, and now I am required to dress even better? |
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Joshea8
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| At my school male employees can't wear shorts. Women can. To quote my boss, "Women are allowed to wear shorts to keep them beautiful." |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Does the place have AC? I would just wear whatever you want to the school. Change in the bathroom, and then change back. You took the job and the location is probably well within the city "limits".
I had a hagwon job through a school in Gangnam. The owner always wore these silver suits, flashy maybe to some. It definitely looked way beyond the needs of a hagwon owner. However, he would always question me if I shaved and that my shirt needed to be cleaner.
However, another teacher, good friend and still (nothing wrong with him), he would come in with long uncut hair, half a beard grown, shorts showing off his hairy legs, and sandals sporting a surfer look. Only thing missing was a surfboard. Actually, he was more of a rugby fella, but looked more like a surfer. The hagwon owner said nothing to him.
Apparently, I was the business person and he was the cool beach dude.
Each person has to play their part to attract as many students. Your female co-worker is doing her part and you need to do yours. |
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Porksta
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Each person has to play their part to attract as many students. Your female co-worker is doing her part and you need to do yours. |
So then is this customary in Korea to require more of the men? At least in the USA, if I am paying for my kid to learn a foreign language and their teacher was dressed like her I would turn around and find a different school. |
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koreatimes
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| koreatimes wrote: |
Each person has to play their part to attract as many students. Your female co-worker is doing her part and you need to do yours. |
So then is this customary in Korea to require more of the men? At least in the USA, if I am paying for my kid to learn a foreign language and their teacher was dressed like her I would turn around and find a different school. |
I don't know what she looks like. Why are you so concerned about this? I don't see their requests that much out of line as it pertains to you.
As for jeans, usually hagwons don't like this. I don't see why you are complaining.
If you truly think she has some "advantage" because she wears clothing you might think is more on par with jeans or less, then I would shut up and not say anything. Wear your dress pants for like 4 weeks. Then, after payday, break out the jeans. If questioned, make your statement, "If she can wear those clothes I should be able to wear these.", They'll say, "You can't". Come back with dress pants. Try again 5 weeks later.
It could also mean your students are more business minded and not of the "college" variety. I wouldn't worry about it. |
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Porksta
Joined: 05 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Just to reiterate - I have no problems with the dress code. Switching from jeans to slacks is not a hard thing to do. What annoys me is that the female teacher does not have to change. She gets to continue to dress like a student instead of dressing like a teacher. |
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nero
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:36 am Post subject: |
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Guess what?
Sometimes life isn't fair. I'm sorry you had to find out this way.  |
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Porksta
Joined: 05 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| Which is why I asked in my original post if it was Korean custom or just something my boss decided. |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| She's not attractive. Even if she was, it is principle. She has not once dressed better than me, and now I am required to dress even better? |
In that case my advice is to break into her apartment, replace all her clothes with yours, take her clothes back to your place and show up to work the next day wearing the most provocative item she owns. Burst into your boss's office and scream "LOOK AT ME, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK"
He'll be f*ckin delighted when you show up next week in jeans and a T. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:19 am Post subject: |
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Are you teaching adults?
My guess is that the boss thinks that some of the male students will like the way she dresses (or doesn't dress depending on your point of view).
The boss might be into older women, who knows? |
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Porksta
Joined: 05 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| No, elementary school. |
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chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Different Dress Codes for M/F? |
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| Porksta wrote: |
| Is this a Korean thing where men are held to higher standards? |
Men are held to higher standards. Usually Korean men have to wear a full suit in 35 degree weather. Women wear short little skirts. Imagine if a man were allowed to wear the equivalent (knee length shorts). I worked at a hakwon (elementary, jr high, high) where the female teachers wore strappy shoes and short skirts in the summer, but I was forbidden from wearing sandals or khaki/dress shorts. I had to wear full pants and black shoes.
Korean guys are used to it. They wear uniforms all their lives.
You can sometimes get away with 3/4 length pants as a man though, if you are young. |
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Moondoggy
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| Which is why I asked in my original post if it was Korean custom or just something my boss decided. |
This is not a Korean thing.
Your school doesn't want you to look like some stupid college kid to students and parents. Just do what you're told if you wanna keep the job. Or leave Korea. |
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