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some waygug-in

Joined: 25 Jan 2003

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:26 pm Post subject:

austrian123 wrote:

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The reason why the ratio of male to female english teacher is much higher in favour of males is because many male english teachers come to Korea to have sex with Korean women.

Maybe Korean female employers like to hire Western men for the same reason.

AlastairKirby

Joined: 29 Aug 2011
Location: UK

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:40 pm Post subject:

shifty wrote:

AlastairKirby wrote:

Life is too short to be arguing with people on the internet.

Thanks for this nugget, now I know. Can't help thinking I should avoid your fine example.

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I conflated the OP as someone having a pop at people who can't find a job. I was wrong.

For sure, wrong! And when you're wrong it hardly helps using words like 'conflate', just makes things even damn worse.

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If it's that important to you to believe I was passed over for the job for whatever reason you think it was then I'm fine with that.

I'm glad you're fine with it, b/c as it turns out, it is very, very important to me.

Seriously, can you send me a private message because I don't understand what I have done that offends you so much.

creeper1

Joined: 30 Jan 2007

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:55 pm Post subject:

ttompatz wrote:

ZIFA wrote:

Tompatz wrote:

Males outnumber females by about 10-1.

Where did you get that figure from?

Cos my recruiter told me over half of their E2's since 2010 have been female.

Kimmi stats.

They are publicly posted on different government websites and categorized by country, visa class and gender. They don't break it down by age and I think that would be an interesting statistic.

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Tompatz your Korean experience was prefinancial crisis (ie before 2008) so I suspect that your statistics are out of date.

Annecdotally I would say that there were more males than females and the ratio was probably 3 to 1 rather than 10 to 1.

And by the way that statistic is getting closer to 2 to 1 and will eventually get to 1 to 1 and then females will outnumber males before long.

ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject:

creeper1 wrote:

ttompatz wrote:

ZIFA wrote:

Tompatz wrote:

Males outnumber females by about 10-1.

Where did you get that figure from?

Cos my recruiter told me over half of their E2's since 2010 have been female.

Actually, I still work part time in Korea (consulting for 2 POEs) and spend 3-4 months each year here.

Additionally, the stats for 2009 and 2010 have been published and the numbers above were based on the 2009 stats.

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World Traveler

Joined: 29 May 2009

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:06 pm Post subject:

koreatimes wrote:

Let me go over that one more time. Let's say a white female has 75% chance, white male 40%, and everyone else 30% or less. You come along and say, "Angst angst angst, I have won't be hired, 0%". I am telling you that is not true.

OK, but any amount of discrimination prefering females over males in the ESL market place is unfair as hell.

And the reality is: females have a huge advantage over males, just as F visa holders have a huge advantage over E2s.

supermouse wrote:

Its obvious its becoming an employers market. The fact that there are job openings that are female only is proof of that in my opinion.

williamsabia wrote:

Yes, you're right, female only is something I see often.

Jotun_Symph wrote:

My recruiters told me the same thing, that most jobs were going to females, probably because of the GEPIK situation.

rayray123 wrote:

I've been turned down a couple times cause I was told they wanted a female.

CPJ wrote:

If you're a 'good applicant', you will be flooded with calls from recruiters and schools. In Korea, 'good applicant' usually means that you are a young, attractive, North American female. They will all want you to work with them. They will all treat you really well.

If you're not a 'good applicant', then you will probably be ignored or get the jobs that the 'good applicants' don't want. In Korea, this usually means that you are older, not that attractive, and a non-North American male.

Jack_Sarang wrote:

Basically, if you're a blond, blue-eyed white girl (slim) you'll get any job you want.

wylies99 wrote:

There are recruiters who call schools and tell them that they have a "young woman in their 20's who would be perfect for their school"

Wishmaster wrote:

The market is definitely flooded. No doubt about that. Schools can be picky now whereas in the past they just accepted the next available warm body.

ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:31 pm Post subject:

World Traveler wrote:

OK, but any amount of discrimination preferring females over males in the ESL market place is unfair as hell.

And the reality is: females have a huge advantage over males, just as F visa holders have a huge advantage over E2s.

If you are worried about a bit of gender bias, ageism, racial bias or advantages that legal residents have over transient workers then you better stay home where political correctness is considered acceptable.

You get out here in the real world you will find that it is dog-eat-dog and if you don't like it they will let you starve (literally).

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edwardcatflap

Joined: 22 Mar 2009

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:04 pm Post subject:

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you better stay home where political correctness is considered acceptable

You mean where gender prejudice is considered unacceptable? I used to work for a company here (in the real world) that used a non-ageist, non sexist, non-racist hiring system and guess what? There were good and bad teachers in equal numbers across all the different groups. Also as far as I know, no parent took their kid away when they realised the teacher wasn't a white American female.

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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:07 pm Post subject:

edwardcatflap wrote:

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you better stay home where political correctness is considered acceptable

You mean where gender prejudice is considered unacceptable?

If you want to take on the roll of trying to change the different biases around the planet, be my guest.

If someone is expecting employers abroad to conform to the rules and cultural norms from home then they better be prepared to starve.

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